ВИЧ в России / HIV in Russia (English subtitles)

ВИЧ в России / HIV in Russia (English subtitles)


25.000000 Lots of people think
it doesn’t concern them. If you’re thinking: “I’m skipping this episode,
it doesn’t concern me,” then it does concern you.
It concerns you personally. You’re sitting there all nice and well-off,
thinking this only happens to junkies. You wish! Hey everyone! We’re in
Nizhniy Novgorod. Out of all of Russia’s issues, we prefer to tackle ones that people are
hesitant or too embarrassed to bring up. Like the HIV and AIDS epidemic. It’s discussed by select activists,
but certainly not by everyone. Many believe this disease
stayed in the ’90s and certainly didn’t make it into
the age of broadband internet. But that’s not the case. There’s over a million HIV-positive
individuals living in Russia. In 2018, 37,000 people
died of AIDS in Russia. On average, that’s
100 people every day. In terms of infection rate, and this
truly boggles the mind, Russia is comparable to some
of the African countries. We sat down to produce this
episode with a simple intent: to let people know, particularly young people,
how to NOT become a part of this statistic. But in the process, we realized that besides the terrifying
figures, here they are again, there’s another major issue. HIV-positive individuals in Russia
face discrimination every day. People shun them, avoid them,
lock doors on them. Over there, across the Oka river, stands an establishment that
became one of the epitomes of this discrimination
in the summer of 2019. Several dozen HIV-positive children were
supposed to come to this resort for recreation. After finding this out, the resort’s personnel
refused to offer these children their services. They had to vacation elsewhere. This led to an uproar that
spilled over into the TV. The Prosecution Service
investigated the resort. Its personnel faced immense
public condemnation. We don’t intend to revive
this condemnation, because we know: they didn’t refuse because they
had trash cans for hearts, they refused because
of ignorance. We made this episode
to shrink this ignorance. How can you contract HIV? Can HIV-positive parents
have healthy children? Can HIV-positive people
live a full life into old age? Why is Russia so ineffective
in her fight against HIV? Why do we NEED sex ed
classes in schools? Basically, a crash course
for anyone not in the know. And if you think that it’s a know you
don’t need to be in, we’ll repeat. If you’re thinking: “I’m skipping this episode,
it doesn’t concern me,” then it concerns you personally. (exhales) Let’s go! [MOSCOW → NOVOSIBIRSK]
[4 HOURS] (Ulyanov) We’re at a wakeboarding park. (Dud’) Why did you come here? To ride! We were once having
a BBQ on the cliff. Saw these guys set up
a winch down below. We knew they were funky types,
’cause I’m one myself. We decided to come down
to sate the animal curiosity. We asked, they explained. The guys saw our tats, realized we
were old surfers and let us have a go. That’s how I got into it. I always loved launching head first into
things, getting hurt, what have you. I don’t know if you could
call it extreme sports, but when I tried wakeboarding,
I knew it was for me. When we have doubts whether
we’ll get there or not, if the trick will work or not, Serioga never says no,
we just let him do it. – (Dud’) Like a crash dummy?
– Sorta. You mean you don’t care? I mean he does somehow
survive every time. Two, one… (loud electronic music) (Ulyanov) That’s our exclusive gear.
We did a contest last year. One of the tasks was
to ride wearing this gear. That’s my legendary guitar.
I donated it. “Wearing” them? – You mean the contest was to use
various items as your ride?
– Yes. Yeah. – You made a bigger hole…
– Naturally. – Put one foot here, one here, and took off?
– Yeah. – You rode wearing two guitars?
– I didn’t. My friend did. I was hosting the contest.
I was the host. – MC?
– Yes. How and when did you
find out you had HIV? I was doing a yet another detox. [SERGEY ULYANOV]
[HIV-positive for the last 13 years]
After I got out… I was living
with this girl at the time, [SERGEY ULYANOV]
[HIV-positive for the last 13 years]
she said, “Seriy, did you test for HIV?” she said, “Seriy, did you test for HIV?” Naturally, being somewhat
out of it, I said that I did. She asked what the test said.
I said I didn’t remember. She took my hand and we went back
to find out what the test said. The test was positive. This was probably in two thousand… 2007 or 2006. How old were you? 21. 21, going on 22. – You were a junkie?
– Yes. How did you become an addict? I guess you couldn’t not become
an addict in the neighborhood where I grew up and matured. It was cool, it was hot at the time. This is opioid drugs
we’re talking about. What’s that? Heroin? [*Slang term for a variety of opium-based drugs.]
– No. It’s hanka*.
– Oh. Right. Raw opium. – You shoot it in the vein?
– Yes. So… For comparison’s sake: a trip to the pool
cost 50 rubles at the time. An hour-long visit to
the pool cost 50 rubles. One dose for two people, a stick,
as we called it, cost 25 rubles. The choice was obvious. [MOSCOW → SAINT PETERSBURG]
[4 HOURS] Were there any guys who reacted
to this revelation differently? One. One single guy. And thank god he reacted to it instead of
downplaying or tiptoeing around it. He left for the army and for some reason,
he thought I was waiting for his return. I don’t know where he got that, ’cause I didn’t write him any letters, I didn’t keep in touch with his mom. But he returned from the army, found me and said,
“Love ya, want ya, spin ya.” Took me to a restaurant.
Candles and stuff. He didn’t hold back —
wanted to impress. Says: “Masha, let’s get married.
Will you be my wife?” I go, “This is great ‘n’ all,
but I have HIV.” [MARIYA GODLEVSKAYA]
[HIV-positive for the last 20 years]He got up and ran out. [MARIYA GODLEVSKAYA]
[HIV-positive for the last 20 years]
Not just walked out — RAN out. I sit there and realize
the bill’s on me now. I wasn’t actually planning
to pay for any of it. I didn’t have any money. I had to call my friends
to buy me out. – From the restaurant?
– Yes. I’m gonna be honest, the bill freaked
me out more than his reaction. Which was tougher
to come out with publicly, that you’re gay
or that you have HIV? [ANTON KRASOVSKIY]
[HIV-positive for the last 8 years]
[Director of the AIDS.Center Foundation]
[Creator of the documentary series The Epidemic on RT]
– You did it at different times, right?
– Yes, at different times. [ANTON KRASOVSKIY]
[HIV-positive for the last 8 years]
[Director of the AIDS.Center Foundation]
[Creator of the documentary series The Epidemic on RT]
Which one was tougher? [ANTON KRASOVSKIY]
[HIV-positive for the last 8 years]
[Director of the AIDS.Center Foundation]
[Creator of the documentary series The Epidemic on RT] [ANTON KRASOVSKIY]
[HIV-positive for the last 8 years]
[Director of the AIDS.Center Foundation]
[Creator of the documentary series The Epidemic on RT]
That I’m HIV-positive. That I’m HIV-positive. Because there was something noble about
being gay, especially at the time, I felt. [In 2013, Krasovskiy came out as gay in a live]
[broadcast of the Internet station Kontr TV during]
[the discussion of the law against gay propaganda]
[among minors. He said: “I’m gay, but I’m a person]
[just like you. Like our President, like the Prime]
[Minister, like the deputies of the State Dume.”]
Because there was something noble about
being gay, especially at the time, I felt. [In 2013, Krasovskiy came out as gay in a live]
[broadcast of the Internet station Kontr TV during]
[the discussion of the law against gay propaganda]
[among minors. He said: “I’m gay, but I’m a person]
[just like you. Like our President, like the Prime]
[Minister, like the deputies of the State Dume.”]
HIV is mundane in a way. [In 2013, Krasovskiy came out as gay in a live]
[broadcast of the Internet station Kontr TV during]
[the discussion of the law against gay propaganda]
[among minors. He said: “I’m gay, but I’m a person]
[just like you. Like our President, like the Prime]
[Minister, like the deputies of the State Dume.”]
I don’t like the mundane
in general. [In 2013, Krasovskiy came out as gay in a live]
[broadcast of the Internet station Kontr TV during]
[the discussion of the law against gay propaganda]
[among minors. He said: “I’m gay, but I’m a person]
[just like you. Like our President, like the Prime]
[Minister, like the deputies of the State Dume.”]
Still, I knew it would probably
benefit some people. [In 2013, Krasovskiy came out as gay in a live]
[broadcast of the Internet station Kontr TV during]
[the discussion of the law against gay propaganda]
[among minors. He said: “I’m gay, but I’m a person]
[just like you. Like our President, like the Prime]
[Minister, like the deputies of the State Dume.”]
Looks like it did after all. [In 2013, Krasovskiy came out as gay in a live]
[broadcast of the Internet station Kontr TV during]
[the discussion of the law against gay propaganda]
[among minors. He said: “I’m gay, but I’m a person]
[just like you. Like our President, like the Prime]
[Minister, like the deputies of the State Dume.”]
Besides, it’s kinda stupid that… Besides, it’s kinda stupid that… We live in a country where
HIV-related charities are headed by people who’ve
had HIV for 25 years but don’t admit it publicly. It’s silly and tacky. “Why do you do this, Anton?”
“You see, this is a very personal issue… “I have many friends who…” I just got so tired of this bullshit that I went ahead and… I do this because, first and
foremost, this is MY issue. I tried to find a solution for myself
and I found a certain… I suffered a lot. For two years, I didn’t know
how to approach these doctors. I went to different places. I went to the MGTs. It was horrible.
They told me… [*Moscow City Center for AIDS]
[Prevention and Treatment]
I went to the MGTs. It was horrible.
They told me… [*Moscow City Center for AIDS]
[Prevention and Treatment]
I had genital herpes from not
getting the pills I needed. They’d tell me, “You probably
just jerk off a lot.” (chuckles) When they said “jerk off,” that was it.
I knew things had to change. I changed the way I did things
and I realized this was a method I could use to help others. Plain and simple: there’s an HIV epidemic in Russia? The HIV epidemic started in Russia
when she got her first case of a registered infection. [First registered cases in the USSR – ]
[middle of the 1980s]
of a registered infection. [First registered cases in the USSR – ]
[middle of the 1980s]
That’s when epidemics start. What Russia
has today is a generalized epidemic. [First registered cases in the USSR – ]
[middle of the 1980s]
That’s when over 1% of
the general population has HIV. That’s when over 1% of
the general population has HIV. Today, Russia has over 1%. You know, this idiotic fear of the word
“epidemic” found its way into the minds of our officials
several years ago. [DENIS GODLEVSKIY]
[Head of AIDS, Statistics, Health]
into the minds of our officials
several years ago. [DENIS GODLEVSKIY]
[Head of AIDS, Statistics, Health]
I’ve been working in this area since 2007. I’ve been working in this area since 2007. The experts, for as long as
I’ve been in this business, and even before me, since 1990-something, have been
calling it an epidemic. Because at a certain stage, when the number of cases of any infectious
disease reaches a certain level in a country, it’s an epidemic. Maybe they’re confusing it
with a pandemic. A pandemic is an epidemic that
has reached a catastrophic scale where a substantial portion
of the population is infected, of pregnant women and all… South Africa has a pandemic. They have a pandemic. We have an epidemic. It’s just a fact. It’s always been. Over a million people are HIV-positive
in this country. Officially. They’re trying to understate,
saying it’s 870 thousand. But actually, it’s a million people. Add those who simply don’t know, and you’ve got 1.5-2 million HIV-positive folks living next to us. – I wanna do an HIV test.
– Be my guest. I’ll be honest. I’m anxious. Because the last time they
told me I was okay was, like, 8 years ago. You mean you did
the test 8 years ago? Not exactly. I learned this from my wife’s test. – Your wife was giving birth?
– Yes. We both passed the test. They checked for other,
less important things too. But we were healthy.
I haven’t checked since. I’m anxious. So… How does this work? First off, what is this? This is the test. It uses
your saliva for testing. You take this thing out… – But let’s both do it!
– Of course! Mine will be positive. You take this thing out and open
the other whatchamacallit. The other. (Krasovskiy) “Carefully open the bag… “Put the absorbing slab on the outer
surface of your gums above your teeth… “…and run it along the outer…” Basically, you run it like this. – (Dud’) My hands are sweating, but…
– There we go! (Dud’) Right! What do we do first? (Krasovskiy) We run it along
the gums, I guess. (Dud’) Got it. No matter what side? “The outer surface of upper
and lower gums.” – Basically, it needs a lot of…
– Saliva?
– …genetic material. Right. That’s how they do
the genetic test too. Got it. That’s it. Now you put it on the bottom of the bottle. And put it down. Mine will show two lines. – Like the pregnancy test?
– Exactly. Then insert it? (Krasovskiy chuckles) – Right?
– You put it down, I’d call it. – What now? We wait?
– Now we wait for 20 minutes. That’s the point: anyone can use it.
The instruction is plain and detailed. Accuracy is the same
as with blood tests. It’s 98%. The 2% is cases where you
got infected, say, yesterday and you haven’t produced
any antibodies yet. You’re in this Seronegative Period. [The Seronegative Window Period]
[CAN LAST UP TO 6 MONTHS.]
[This means that to be 100% certain,]
[in 6 months, you need to]
[DO THE TEST AGAIN] How and when did you meet Denis? At a personal growth workshop. Let’s call it that. So lame! Yeah, that’s a yikes. Though I went for a good reason. At the time. I needed to understand myself
and blah blah blah. He’d seen me prior, but we didn’t introduce ourselves. But then this happened.
The stars aligned. I first saw her in 2003. We were at the same party, she came and went,
but I took note of her, I went, “Oh!” I even had this thought,
I can clearly remember it now: “I want her to be my wife.” That’s it. I didn’t see her for two years. In 2005, we met at some
personal growth workshop. Don’t ask. Please. (laughs) I come up to her and go, “Hi, we met at the whatever.” She says, “Oh, cool.” We kinda hit it off and
chatted at this event. I went: “How about a coffee?
Maybe a walk?” I noticed him immediately,
because he’s quite… He had this long hair too. Imposing gentleman in a white blouse. Fun guy. He stood out next to other people
thanks to his charisma, and positivity, and sort of openness. And literally,
I can’t remember exactly, the first or second time we went out, she said: “I wanna be upfront with you “to prevent any possible
misunderstanding. “I have HIV.” I went: “I mean… okay. It happens.” This is 2005. – Being on a date and hearing that the girl
has HIV, the guy says, “Okay?”
– Yes. So… Yeah. The thing is… I agree that that’s weird. I was lucky to have great teachers.
I certainly have great parents. Because I remember that,
number one, in school, back in ’98, they told us
about it in a fairly sensible way either in biology class or someone from
outside the school gave us lectures about the HIV. The thing about condoms too. That they can protect you.
This is 1998. – A Petersburg school?
– Yes. I also had sensible folks.
We talked about sex. Knowing that I wouldn’t feel comfortable
discussing just about anything with them, they’d buy me cool books. For example, there’s a guy called Dee Snider
from the band Twisted Sister. He wrote a book about
puberty for boys: about sexual maturation, STDs
and how to protect yourself. The book too puts a lot
of emphasis on condoms. So ever since I was 13 or 14,
I was certain that HIV is not cool, I didn’t know anything about
no treatment and the time, but I knew you could use a condom
to protect yourself from it. Another thing I learned,
that’s after I met Masha… I spent several years working
for an organization that helped people
coming out of prison. HIV was pretty common
among them. I had a general understanding
that there’s treatment out there, that if you try really hard,
you can beat it. How is HIV different from AIDS? AIDS is untreated HIV. If you don’t treat it,
if you don’t get the therapy, if you refuse and don’t admit the existence of
the human immunodeficiency virus, HIV will eventually become AIDS,
and you will die. Here’s the most well-known
story on the matter. [HIV doesn’t kill.]
[But if you don’t get the therapy,]
[it will turn into AIDS.]
[AIDS kills.]
Here’s the most well-known
story on the matter. [HIV doesn’t kill.]
[But if you don’t get the therapy,]
[it will turn into AIDS.]
[AIDS kills.]
A common topic of discussion are
our Russian HIV denialists. [HIV doesn’t kill.]
[But if you don’t get the therapy,]
[it will turn into AIDS.]
[AIDS kills.]
But obviously, HIV denialism
wasn’t invented in Russia. But obviously, HIV denialism
wasn’t invented in Russia. [HIV denialists are people who deny the existence of HIV.]
[They claim the whole idea of the virus is a conspiracy.]
[In their view, it’s not the sickness that kills people]
[but instead, the treatment the doctors give them.]
[HIV denialists refuse treatment themselves and deny it]
[to their children. Occasionally, you can find a doctor HIV]
[denialist. For instance, Olga Koveh, nicknamed Dr. Death,]
[is one of the most famous HIV denialists in Russia]
But obviously, HIV denialism
wasn’t invented in Russia. [HIV denialists are people who deny the existence of HIV.]
[They claim the whole idea of the virus is a conspiracy.]
[In their view, it’s not the sickness that kills people]
[but instead, the treatment the doctors give them.]
[HIV denialists refuse treatment themselves and deny it]
[to their children. Occasionally, you can find a doctor HIV]
[denialist. For instance, Olga Koveh, nicknamed Dr. Death,]
[is one of the most famous HIV denialists in Russia]
The first HIV denialists appeared where
the first epidemic was, in the USA. [HIV denialists are people who deny the existence of HIV.]
[They claim the whole idea of the virus is a conspiracy.]
[In their view, it’s not the sickness that kills people]
[but instead, the treatment the doctors give them.]
[HIV denialists refuse treatment themselves and deny it]
[to their children. Occasionally, you can find a doctor HIV]
[denialist. For instance, Olga Koveh, nicknamed Dr. Death,]
[is one of the most famous HIV denialists in Russia]
There was actually a magazine
published by HIV denialists [HIV denialists are people who deny the existence of HIV.]
[They claim the whole idea of the virus is a conspiracy.]
[In their view, it’s not the sickness that kills people]
[but instead, the treatment the doctors give them.]
[HIV denialists refuse treatment themselves and deny it]
[to their children. Occasionally, you can find a doctor HIV]
[denialist. For instance, Olga Koveh, nicknamed Dr. Death,]
[is one of the most famous HIV denialists in Russia]
that claimed month after month
that the virus wasn’t real, [HIV denialists are people who deny the existence of HIV.]
[They claim the whole idea of the virus is a conspiracy.]
[In their view, it’s not the sickness that kills people]
[but instead, the treatment the doctors give them.]
[HIV denialists refuse treatment themselves and deny it]
[to their children. Occasionally, you can find a doctor HIV]
[denialist. For instance, Olga Koveh, nicknamed Dr. Death,]
[is one of the most famous HIV denialists in Russia]
like, look at Maggie
from Massachusetts: like, look at Maggie
from Massachusetts: [Magazine in question is the British Continuum magazine.]
[It was published from 1992 until 2001]
like, look at Maggie
from Massachusetts: [Magazine in question is the British Continuum magazine.]
[It was published from 1992 until 2001]
she’s “had the virus” for 15 years, [Magazine in question is the British Continuum magazine.]
[It was published from 1992 until 2001]
or they tell her she has the virus,
but she’s fine and has three kids. The magazine shut down
for a beautiful reason: the entire staff died of AIDS. Can you tell how you get HIV? I was in love. Obviously. Naturally, I thought he was
my one and only. – How old were you?
– 16. Right. We dated. We didn’t even have sex
for the first six months. What I’m trying to say is… I’m not the “sex before introductions” type. Not because I’m super virtuous. I just don’t feel like it if I’m
not synced with the person. Then we had sex and blah blah blah. I think I got it from our
first or second time. That was that. In autumn, I was going to do
a full medical in the Medical Military Academy. They said they needed my
samples for tests to admit me. I successfully gave
them the samples. Later came to the doctor’s office.
With my mom. ‘Cause I was still a kid. I couldn’t
do anything without her. Handed him my paperwork. He says,
“Why didn’t you tell me you had HIV?” That’s how I found out. Yeah. And… The puzzle in my head automatically
came together: this boy… ‘Cause he was doing
everything there was to do. – He was a junkie?
– Of course. I don’t think there were any sober people
in Kirovskiy District at the time. [Kirovskiy District of St. Petersburg]
I don’t think there were any sober people
in Kirovskiy District at the time. [Kirovskiy District of St. Petersburg]
Because all parents were
slaving away at the factory. Because all parents were
slaving away at the factory. I don’t mean that they
were bad people. It was the “work three shifts” era,
you know? My mom was a teacher and the night
guard of the same kindergarten. Just to be able to survive. And everyone took what they
could get their hands on. Sniffing glue, smoking pit, all that stuff. So yeah, he would shoot shit.
I was aware of it. – How did he infect you? You didn’t use protection?
– We didn’t use protection. I thought condoms were for Tania from
our block that put out to everyone. – Tania?
– We had this Tania girl… I guess every block had
a Tania at the time. A Tania that anyone
could go to for sex. I was more of a tomboy. I hung out with boys, climbed roofs,
munched on hard tar, all that stuff. You know? Typical tomboy. So they seldom came up
to me with these things. I thought Tania for sure needed condoms, because she had several
guys a week. So it was risky.
I didn’t need it. ‘Cause I was in a serious
relationship, you know? Maybe when you’re 16, you don’t have
all the faculties to connect the dots. You didn’t think of
unwanted pregnancy? You trusted the boy your age was a virtuoso
of doing what he needed to do in time? That’s the thing: I had this illusion that if you pull out in time,
nothing’s gonna happen. Thank god I got lucky, ’cause pre-ejaculate is just as… Can result in pregnancy. – Can I just… reiterate it?
– Go ahead. – You can get pregnant even
if they don’t come inside.
– Yes. Because there’s another
emission similar to semen. Yeah. Basically, before the man comes, there’s another fluid
that contains enough… – Potential babies.
– Yeah. Yeah. [*Antimicrobial, anti-inflammatory medicine.]
Naturally, we all used Miramistin*. [This does not prevent infection or unwanted pregnancy]
Before and after doing it. [This does not prevent infection or unwanted pregnancy]
Obviously, you need to pee
after having intercourse. [This does not prevent infection or unwanted pregnancy]
This is a sure way to prevent
pretty much everything. [This does not prevent infection or unwanted pregnancy]
And of course,
pull out in time. And of course,
pull out in time. [This does not prevent unwanted pregnancy]
But we only believed this stuff
because no one talked to us. [This does not prevent unwanted pregnancy]
Whenever my mom heard the word ‘penis,’
she’d go red like this wall. Whenever my mom heard the word ‘penis,’
she’d go red like this wall. I learned virtually everything
I knew from my peers. Naive child. I never thought of Masha
as a sick person. I… It’s weird to me. To me, a sick person is someone who’s,
like, in the final stage of HIV infection: when they have AIDS,
Kaposi’s sarcomas, tuberculosis, [Kaposi’s sarcoma is a type of cancer that manifests]
[as lesions of skin, lymph nodes and other organs.]
[Characteristic for AIDS patients]
when they have AIDS,
Kaposi’s sarcomas, tuberculosis, [Kaposi’s sarcoma is a type of cancer that manifests]
[as lesions of skin, lymph nodes and other organs.]
[Characteristic for AIDS patients]
they’re lying down and you hold their hand,
because they’re fading away. [Kaposi’s sarcoma is a type of cancer that manifests]
[as lesions of skin, lymph nodes and other organs.]
[Characteristic for AIDS patients]
Whereas Masha is a beauty, Whereas Masha is a beauty, an amazing, robust woman. What’s there to pity? I mean… (laughs) No. How did your mom react?
Was she in the office with you? She was in the office too.
I was sitting down. She was standing against a wall,
and I heard her slowly sliding down. I mean… To say that I felt scared
for her would be an understatement. A bit of context: my mom smoked twice
in her life, and got laughed at for it. “Valia… Just don’t.” She swore a couple of times
and got the same reaction: “Valia, it’s not your thing.
Don’t make people laugh.” And maybe a couple
of times she got drunk. She’s this educator of
preschoolers, you know? Suddenly her whole world’s collapsing.
That’s it. Her work’s in the drain. I mean, she raised more than one
generation of kids on our block. – Because her own daughter..?
– Yes. Yes. She was freaking out. The doctor told us they certainly
weren’t going go admit me now, ’cause I needed to go
through thorough testing. But thankfully, he said:
“Go to the AIDS Center. “They’ll tell you what to do.” And again, that day was
blessed or something, because we did
what they told us to. We went to the AIDS Center,
met with an epidemiologist. She and mom talked
for about 90 minutes. She quickly explained everything to me.
She realized I wasn’t in a stupor. She said: “It’s fine. You’ll live. “Just visit the Center, get follow-up
tests, and it’s gonna be okay.” With mom, she talked
for 90 minutes. She explained that she doesn’t need
to contact the epidemiological service, because it’s not
syphilis or tuberculosis and all the stuff
associated with them. And I mean… We went home more
or less relaxed. When we got home, mom called her
nurse friend from the kindergarten. The classic: “Tania! It’s all over!” She says: “Relax. You don’t need
to inform any authorities. “And you better pipe down, or the neighbor
kids will turn your girl’s life into hell.” That’s it. Mom returned to work. They explained to her
that I’m not contagious. I never had to deal with having my own cup,
or spoon, or hair brush, or towel. They didn’t sterilize stuff
after I’d used it. I mean they very effectively gave her
the information she needed to calm down. Let’s imagine I found out
I have HIV. What do I do? That’s very simple. You need to find out the address
of your AIDS Center. All federal subjects have one. [VADIM POKROVSKIY]
[Professor, Head of the Federal Center]
[for Prevention and Treatment of AIDS]
In the capital city of
the subject or oblast. [VADIM POKROVSKIY]
[Professor, Head of the Federal Center]
[for Prevention and Treatment of AIDS]
You go there, get registered, You go there, get registered, and eventually, after examination,
they’ll give you pills. If they find that you’re
in critical condition, [FOUND OUT YOU HAVE HIV]
If they find that you’re
in critical condition, [FOUND OUT YOU HAVE HIV]

[GO TO YOUR AIDS CENTER]
If they find that you’re
in critical condition, [FOUND OUT YOU HAVE HIV]

[GO TO YOUR AIDS CENTER]

[GET EXAMINED]
If they find that you’re
in critical condition, If they find that you’re
in critical condition, [FOUND OUT YOU HAVE HIV]

[GO TO YOUR AIDS CENTER]

[GET EXAMINED]

[GET FREE MEDICATION]
they’ll immediately offer
you medication for free. [FOUND OUT YOU HAVE HIV]

[GO TO YOUR AIDS CENTER]

[GET EXAMINED]

[GET FREE MEDICATION]
An AIDS Center is a clinic that
specifically deals with HIV and AIDS? An AIDS Center is a clinic that
specifically deals with HIV and AIDS? Yes, it’s a specialized
HIV and AIDS clinic. – (Dud’) Your arm hurts?
– (Ulyanov) It hurts even more. I told myself I was a cyclist. I’m fat. Figured I’d cycle to work. 30 kilometers both ways. I thought: “60 kilometers 5 days a week?
Sounds like a good way to lose some weight.” – But I realized…
– Lost some health instead?
– Not exactly. – Different story. Don’t know about Russia,
but Novosibirsk is not fit for cyclists.
– Really? Yeah, they pushed me to the railing.
Flew off the road, tore some ligaments. Was that somewhere around the
“Our Counter for Trump” rocket? No. Opposite side of town. – Still nearby.
– Yeah. What does Varlamov say about
bike lanes in Novosibirsk? Never heard of no Varlamov
or bike lanes in Novosibirsk. Got it. Beautiful. [BODY AND GLASS REPAIRS]
[AVTOKONTSEPT]
[PAINTING, DRY CLEANING, TINTING,]
[DENT REPAIRS, VINYL, POLISH]
(traffic noise) [Just an outdoor ad in Novosibirsk]
[on the way to Serioga’s workshop]
(traffic noise) [COUNTER FOR TRUMP]
[Just an outdoor ad in Novosibirsk]
[on the way to Serioga’s workshop]
(traffic noise) (Dud’) We’re a ways from the city center. (Ulyanov) Yeah. Nice things are usually
done a ways from the center. – (Dud’) For real?
– Yeah. – (Dud’) This is your shop, right?
– Yes. Why here? – Rent’s cheap.
– How cheap? 50 rubles per square meter. How many meters in total? 80-something. 81 or 82. [*~$63 for 870-880 sq ft in Feb 2020]
[for all you beautiful folks in the US :-*]
– You can actually rent something in Russia
for 4000 rubles a month*?
– Something far away from the center. Let’s go. (dog barking, lock clunking) (Dud’) Looks like a place you’d
keep hostages for ransom. [*Part of Russian “bless you.”]
(Dud’ sneezes loudly)
Grow up tall!* Speck of dust! – You’re in a workshop.
– No kidding. – Hey. Is the delightful smell of paint
coming from over there?
– Yeah. – You have the paint…
– That’s the paint shop, yeah. You can get high here, can’t you? – Or do you wear masks?
– Exactly. We work in masks. (Dud’) What do you make here? (Ulyanov) Artificial stone items (Dud’ sneezes again)
and all sorts of stuff. Right? We make molds, banisters,
minor architectural pieces. Anything you can make a mold of
and anything that’s pretty and lasting. What is this? This is a bathroom
countertop with a built-in sink. Yes. This is called “integrated stone.” What does it look like?
Like, what’s your operation? They place an order for this
countertop and you make it? Basically, yes. It’s one of our areas of work. Who’s the clientele?
Stores or people? People. This is all tailor-made,
not a mass production op. You can’t produce the same item with
the same dimensions and shape twice. You can’t, and what’s
the fucking point? It’s a custom order
and a custom piece. How much would a countertop like this cost
if I ordered it for my place in Moscow? You? Let’s say we’ve never met.
I found you randomly. – That’s you squared.
– Yeah. (both laugh) Right. [*~$630.]
I guess, around 40,000*. I’d written yet another article about HIV.
I was writing and writing. [RITA LOGINOVA]
[Journalist, Serioga Ulyanov’s girlfriend]
I needed to go to
the public hearing [RITA LOGINOVA]
[Journalist, Serioga Ulyanov’s girlfriend]
dedicated to the future
of the AIDS Center. dedicated to the future
of the AIDS Center. In addition to my NGO friends that
were bringing me up to speed, there were also some people that
I didn’t know, particularly patients. One of them got up and started asking
the Minister of Health questions. He was wearing glasses,
a tie or maybe a shirt. This cultured look. But I felt this was a mask
and not what he was like normally. I came up to him for
a comment, we talked. Several days to a week later, he told me
he was throwing a protest or something regarding availability of medication,
’cause this was an issue at the time. He said, “Come on over
for article material.” I said: “OK. When you get to
organizing it, let me know, I’ll come.” He says: “Meanwhile, I wanted
to give you a wakeboard ride. “We have a lake and all that.” I went, “Uhh, no.” I’d just
divorced. Small child. I’m working like crazy. And… What now?
Patients? Lake? Riding? This was the end of summer,
and I thought: “What do I have to lose? I’ll just hang out,
check out what’s this guy’s deal.” So I did. He stopped by and never left. – Three years ago?
– I believe so, yeah. Yeah, I had this dream
of the fucking stupid variety: go to Baykal in winter. To see this transparent ice
we see on social media. At the time, our relationship
was in its infancy. I wasn’t certain on whether
I’d be with this girl or not. I told Rita: “I’m planning the trip.
I’ll go with or without you.” To which Rita said,
“Of course I’ll go.” I’m down with this girl’s attitude: she doesn’t hesitate,
she decides automatically. And… It touched me. We arrived, and it all
kinda happened there. There I made the ultimate decision
to have a family with Rita. Can you explain for those
who just thought: “Wait, what? She decided to date
an HIV-positive guy?” How come you weren’t concerned? Because I knew that an HIV-positive person that
takes the HIV treatment regimen responsibly cannot pass the virus
along to anyone. [If an HIV-positive person sticks to their treatment]
[regimen, they cannot infect anyone with HIV]
At all? [If an HIV-positive person sticks to their treatment]
[regimen, they cannot infect anyone with HIV]
According to studies published
in specialized media, yes. [If an HIV-positive person sticks to their treatment]
[regimen, they cannot infect anyone with HIV]
Because…
If it really bothered me, and I was still sort of
getting used to it, then there’s always condoms,
no big deal. We didn’t plan
to have kids initially. And… Well, we used condoms. Later on, when we thought, why not?.. Another thing is that the person using
therapy can’t infect anyone, but also… Had even I had HIV and was using therapy,
I couldn’t have passed it on to the child. With overwhelming odds. So… Why be anxious
if you know all this? Do you remember the moment
Serioga told you he had HIV? [STEPAN]
[Serioga Ulyanov’s pal]
Do you remember the moment
Serioga told you he had HIV? [STEPAN]
[Serioga Ulyanov’s pal]
Yeah. Of course. [STEPAN]
[Serioga Ulyanov’s pal]
How did you react? How did you react? It troubled me a little because meeting Serioga
improved my understanding of HIV a lot. I hadn’t known prior that
HIV-positive people can have unprotected sex
and live a normal life. I wasn’t properly informed, so this squeamishness
was still there. After he gave us the crash course,
all hesitation went out the window. We have a normal,
unabated friendship. All the barriers that some people
have, like shaking hands or drinking from the same cup,
are gone. I sometimes even notice
that some of our friends, knowing that Serioga has HIV and seeing us sipping from the same can
or drinking tea from the same cup, they’re taken aback a little. I realize they need
the crash course too. Was there a moment when Serioga just
blew your socks off romantically? Something that made your stern Siberian heart melt? I think a couple of times,
he brought bags of rose petals, scattered them in the bath
and left some champagne. Though to me, it’s like… Why would I want
to soak with flowers? They’re wet and sticky, and
I don’t really like champagne. I’d prefer some beer
and a hearty nap. That’s perfect. (laughs) (laughs) But you
appreciated the effort? Of course. The effort is what matters. Even more than the exact actions. No, he’s great. He’s one of the most
romantic men I’ve met in my life. He cares. The children discussion.
What did it look like? “Come on, let’s make a baby.” I think it was more driven by Seriozha,
because again, I have an older son, and I have a pretty good idea of how
much of a disaster having a baby is. Plus, I believe children
aren’t my thing. – Nevertheless…
– Yet you already have two.
– Yeah. What can you do? Why not? I can’t say I planned it or that I… It just happened. But do you still need some kind of
preparation considering he’s HIV-positive? Or do you just take the therapy..? How many pills does
Serioga take every day? I didn’t count, but he showed me.
It’s a hefty handful. A handful a day? Twice a day. Let’s use simple terms. There’s the HIV-positive Serioga. There’s the handful of pills. – The HIV-positive Serioga takes this
handful of pills every day.
– Yes. In his case, twice a day. That’s it? He’ll live a long
and pretty happy life? [In the HIV-positive person takes their pills,]
[they live as long as HIV-negative people]
That’s it? He’ll live a long
and pretty happy life? [In the HIV-positive person takes their pills,]
[they live as long as HIV-negative people]
Exactly. [In the HIV-positive person takes their pills,]
[they live as long as HIV-negative people]
And he’ll probably die, given his lifestyle,
by breaking a leg or drowning. [In the HIV-positive person takes their pills,]
[they live as long as HIV-negative people]
Or crashing on a snowboard. Or crashing on a snowboard. This applies to our
relationship too: just like anyone else, there’s
a ton of things that can affect it. But not the HIV. I take the regimen twice a day. Morning and night. Let me show you how
many pills that is. (loud pill pack and blister sounds) This is my nightly dose. I’d like to use this
opportunity to note that globally, producers lean
towards combination drugs. Ours seem to find that
separate is cheaper. In the morning, I take
this huge bastard. Before bed,
this whole little stack. It’s not always convenient,
because the pills are pretty large. Fucking stuck right here,
the big one! That’s it. We currently have drugs
that target this virus. It basically go dormant. But they need to take this
medication constantly. Because as soon as they stop,
the virus comes out of its hidey-hole and starts killing these cells. – I understand that the infection
can reach the AIDS stage…
– Yes. – …but if you start taking the medication,
you can revert back?
– Yes, you can. Moreover, there are cases where people in terminal stages, thanks to some mysterious powers
and reserves of the body, got better. There was someone who went physically
blind from cytomegalovirus infection. Normally, this effect cannot be
repaired by any treatment. They got their sight back! They fucking got it back! Like some saint had blessed
them or something. – He could actually see again?
– Yeah, he could see. He got his sight back. But this is a unique case.
This doesn’t normally happen. If someone with an untreated cytomegalovirus
infection goes blind, they stay blind. Where do people get the pills? Well, we currently… Actually, back in 1995,
we managed to pass a law that says that HIV treatment is
covered by the federal budget. – By the state?
– By the state. This is indeed the case, but unfortunately, the state
doesn’t stock enough drugs for the million patients
that we currently have. Only one half gets the medication. Mostly, it’s the people with serious
damage to the immune system. What about the other half?
They pay themselves? The other half waits their turn. A small portion, between 300 and 500 people,
pay for the medication themselves. But it depends on the income. Even the rich sometimes say:
“No. Please give me the state-funded…” In case you want the treatment
they offer in Europe or the US… [*~$3,150.]
– …that’s up to 200,000*.
– A month?
– A year. A year? As I said, less than 500 people
in Russia do that. They buy the drugs themselves. Hold on. We have a million infected. The state pays for one half. 500 are paid for by the state. Only 500 pay out of their pocket. In addition to those 500 thousand,
500 more pay… What about the remaining 499,500? They’re waiting until they… Don’t they die waiting? No. The process of
HIV infection is lengthy. Up to 20 years. The doctors keep track of it. When the number
of these cells gets critically low in someone… Let’s say, 500 cells is normal. When it goes below 350,
they need to start treatment stat. Until that stage, the person can wait,
according to our methods, but in reality, experts agree that you
want to start treatment immediately. The only problem is that today, the state only stocks
about 500,000 yearly batches. – And..?
– 500,000.
– Yeah. Wait. But we’re a rich country? Yes. That’s why I keep saying: friends,
neighbors, gentlemen, let’s increase the budget. And indeed, the 2020 budget got bigger. I expect 600 to 700 thousand to get it. – We didn’t spend much time
with all four of us.
– No. You don’t know the way
he is with his son. This is something different. On the outside,
he’s this tough dude that does a bunch of crazy stuff. With the baby, he’s all…
(makes cute noises) The pitch of his voice goes up. You know, this instinctive
voice adjustment to communicate with someone
who’s only 9 months old? You can easily leave
him with the baby. He’ll watch it, feed it, wipe its butt.
It’s completely safe. – Good for him!
– Aw yeah. If the HIV-positive person
takes these pills every day and the virus in their blood goes
down to an undetectable level, they cannot infect another with it, which means you can have
children the normal way, which means you can design
all treatment courses with the idea [If an HIV-positive person takes pills under medical]
[supervision, they can have healthy children]
that treatment is also prevention. [If an HIV-positive person takes pills under medical]
[supervision, they can have healthy children]
If we continuously treat and medicate
all HIV-positive people on earth, [If an HIV-positive person takes pills under medical]
[supervision, they can have healthy children]
we’ll stop this epidemic
just like that. we’ll stop this epidemic
just like that. Because they won’t
be able to pass it on. Why is it not the case? Because not everyone gets
the pills, first and foremost. Because not everyone
knows their status. – Oh.
– That’s also important. ‘Cause HIV doesn’t manifest
itself immediately. How badly did you
shit your pants? I remember I was sleeping. It was the weekend. She wakes me up and goes… I hear her voice with
my eyes still closed. “Good morning, daddy.” I’m like… She says: “No, I’m serious. Daddy.” Still half-asleep, it finally hits me. I got goosebumps just now! And I’m like… I open my eyes, and she
shows me the test. This was a day of… Imagine thinking about everything. This was a day of thinking
about EVERYTHING. Money and lack of money. Global warming. Fate of the human kind.
When are we going to space? ‘Cause we have to save the planet! My descendants have to
leave this place one day, given that everything is going
to rot and melt away to shit. It was that kind of… Can I do this?
I’m not ready! All this stuff. At the same time, it was this
weird feeling, I don’t know, like you touched the cosmos. I had the same “touched the cosmos”
feeling the second time when I picked him up
at the hospital. It was just… And it stays with you. These emotions are still there
whenever you look at him. (Dud’) Hi! – Heya!
– Hi! – Hey! (Dud’) He looks so much like you! (chatter) (Godlevskiy) Bottom loses. You can also…
Go ahead. – (Godlevskiy) You can also do this.
– (Dud’) Ohh! To beat you to it. – Yeah. Whoever stays at the bottom,
you can count…
– Boom! (all three laugh) – (Dud’) Ratmir knows you have HIV, doesn’t he?
– (Godlevskaya) Yes. He keeps hearing that I’m working,
that I’m meeting with doctors. Also, once he could more or less talk,
he saw me taking pills, and he said, “What is that?”
I said, “They’re pills. “I have a virus living inside of me.” I later posted a video
with him on Instagram where he explained why I’m taking pills
and why he’s taking pills. He was a little sick at the time. – Ratia.
– What? Why are you taking pills? To be strong, and healthy,
and good-looking. Mm! Why do I take pills? To be good-looking and healthy. Mm! Take your pills, guys,
and you’ll be healthy. Yeah, we talked about it.
He asked me. This was… a couple of months ago? “Why does mommy take pills?”
and all that stuff. I explained it to him
on a very basic level that there’s a cave with a dragon, and these pills contain knights… (Dud’) And they..? (Godlevskiy) Yeah. When mommie takes the pill,
they go in and beat the crap out of the dragon. And mommie’s A-OK. (scooter riding) Can you explain as a doctor, what happens
when your HIV turns into AIDS? Why does the body collapse? Defenses are down, so all the outside
enemies rush into the fortress and start raising hell until they
wipe out everyone inside. That’s what happens. Our immune defense is disrupted. You could compare the CD4 system
to our body’s state security. [CD4 is one of the most important types]
[of cells in the human immune system]
You could compare the CD4 system
to our body’s state security. [CD4 is one of the most important types]
[of cells in the human immune system]
If you get rid of it, you disrupt
the entire defense system. If you get rid of it, you disrupt
the entire defense system. – As a result, people contract
diseases that lead to death?
– Yes. (Dud’) Including those that..? Which, by the way, are not that
dangerous to healthy people, because our defense
system can handle them. A functioning system
removes them in a blink. But as soon as you disrupt
the defense system, that’s when they get in
and start causing ruckus. Things like pneumonia,
encephalitis and so on. But it starts out small,
with skin lesions and stuff, and only when the immunity
is really down, the offensive on internal
organs starts. – (Dud’) You have AIDS?
– Yes. When did it start? [Katia Gavrilova]
[HIV-positive since 2000]
When did it start? [Katia Gavrilova]
[HIV-positive since 2000]
They found it in 2000. But they found HIV? Yes. When did it turn into AIDS? I can’t say exactly,
but sometime in 2018. Do you know how this happened?
I mean that HIV became AIDS? Yes. It was negligence
to your own health. I went to the AIDS Center
several times. You need to visit regularly, and before they start
giving you the treatment, you need to go around ten times. [Fewer visits to the AIDS Center is possible. On average,]
[it’s 4 or 5. Usually, they prescribe treatment in a month]
[after your first visit. Extra visits and time are required]
[if the patient has many coexisting conditions —]
[they need to be diagnosed before start of treatment]
[because they affect the choice of medication]
I was working at the time. [Fewer visits to the AIDS Center is possible. On average,]
[it’s 4 or 5. Usually, they prescribe treatment in a month]
[after your first visit. Extra visits and time are required]
[if the patient has many coexisting conditions —]
[they need to be diagnosed before start of treatment]
[because they affect the choice of medication]
I had to either go to the Center, [Fewer visits to the AIDS Center is possible. On average,]
[it’s 4 or 5. Usually, they prescribe treatment in a month]
[after your first visit. Extra visits and time are required]
[if the patient has many coexisting conditions —]
[they need to be diagnosed before start of treatment]
[because they affect the choice of medication]
no money, I don’t work, [Fewer visits to the AIDS Center is possible. On average,]
[it’s 4 or 5. Usually, they prescribe treatment in a month]
[after your first visit. Extra visits and time are required]
[if the patient has many coexisting conditions —]
[they need to be diagnosed before start of treatment]
[because they affect the choice of medication]
or I went to work, but no one would
ever allow so many days off. [Fewer visits to the AIDS Center is possible. On average,]
[it’s 4 or 5. Usually, they prescribe treatment in a month]
[after your first visit. Extra visits and time are required]
[if the patient has many coexisting conditions —]
[they need to be diagnosed before start of treatment]
[because they affect the choice of medication]
Basically, it was negligence. [We’re filming Katia in the First Moscow Hospice.]
[They brought her here from]
[Matrosskaya Tishina prison] How did you end up in prison? Like many addicts. I used to use drugs. Addicts frame each
other all the time. I got framed by a fellow addict
and ended up in prison. How did he frame you? I got a dose for the morning. He kept calling throughout the night,
asking that I sell it to him, ’cause he can’t find one himself. He’s in bad shape. Wife’s in bad shape.
After a while, he convinced me. I couldn’t give it to him for free
for the simple reason that in the morning, I’d have no dose and
no money, and now I’d be in bad shape. We met. I gave him the dose. For 1000 rubles. – Same amount I paid for it.
– Aha. And… Gotcha. Cops got me. It was a controlled buy? (coughs) Exactly. – Was it a dose of hero?
– Yes, it was heroin. I was a professional addict. – How did you get the money for..?
– Stealing. Straight-up stealing? Real-life stealing. Where? Anything from pickpocketing
to shoplifting. Are you okay discussing it because
the statute of limitations has run out? It never bothered me. In our country, it’s not an embarrassment
to admit you’re an ex-thief and an ex-con. – Oh, you served time!
– Six times. I once got sentenced
for two bottles of cognac. They gave me two years. – Of actual prison time?
– Yes. – Was that your only term?
– No. – How many?
– Three. – What terms?
– Three years in total. When was the last time? Two thousand… eleven, I think. No, my bad, 2010. How did drugs enter your life? They entered my life in late ’90s. I became an orphan. I had a three-room apartment. – In Moscow?
– Yes. My mom’s friend asked if I’d let her
friends stay at my place for some time. She can’t lodge them herself, no room. They don’t have a place. Let them stay with you. I said okay. First off, I’ve always
been a nice and naive person. Second, why not?
Plenty of room. They moved in. Eventually,
I found out they were addicts. I didn’t really mind, because it didn’t
affect me in any way. Several months later, I had
a string of personal tragedies. One was romantic.
Also, my grandma died. Keep in mind, not long
before I’d lost my mother. So… I was alone. They started talking me into it:
“Try, try, try, try. “One time won’t do anything.
Try. It’ll help you relax.” First time was their shot. Of what? – Vint.
– Mhm. – They mostly cooked vint back then.
– Mhm. [*Cough medicine containing ephedrine,]
[a methamphetamine analogue.]
It’s a drug made out of Solutan*. For about three months,
they gave it to me non-stop. They wouldn’t let me sober up. What do you mean by “gave?”
They’d make you take it? They didn’t make me.
I’d still be in this narcotic haze, and they’d hand me
the next syringe. Aha. Go, go, go, go. Why did they do it? I suspect it was because
of the apartment. Extortion? Yeah. And I don’t think
it was their idea. It was the woman that
asked me to let them stay. Because with a muddled…
Vint muddles your brains. Bringing a confused me to a notary to sign some papers wouldn’t
have been a challenge. How did you get off? I found a support group
and started attending. I didn’t want to live a normal life. I didn’t want to work
five days a week. I didn’t want no families, or loans,
or anything like that. I wanted perpetual fun. Wake up at noon,
do squat, and that’s it. By 25, my only skill was theft. I tried to strike
a deal with myself: I’ll stay sober for a year,
then see what happens. Maybe I’ll allow myself some pot,
maybe some booze. I’ll see what it’s like
without heroine. ‘Cause this stretch from 14 to 18…
At 18, I got conscripted. I spent two years in the army.
Got back at 20. I was a junkie all the way to 24 or 25. A hapless, hopeless junkie. I had no life skills. Tell you more, I was scared
to even try learning any. I made a deal with myself
for one year. Stay off for a year. Okay. What did you do?
You went to the..? I went to the damn group meetings.
I found some sort of job. For the first time, I rented an apartment
with my own money. Then I had a breakdown. I had a breakdown, and I reviewed my stance on life. I realized old wheels ain’t
getting this car anywhere. Because I kept being dishonest time to time.
I allowed myself the occasional petty theft. I allowed myself to lie to people. New life was that you only
fucking cross on the green light. – When did it begin?
– After the breakdown. Can you explain how the clockwork
in your head worked out this decision? I mean, I actually hadn’t
been using for 11 months. I actually felt proud of myself when I got my salary,
because I was working. – What did you do?
– I was a storekeeper at a warehouse. Not even a storekeeper.
A handler and loader. At a fucking toilet paper
and paper towel warehouse. As silly as it may sound, I was proud that I was
doing a legit damn job and getting legit shekels for it. That was the first time
I experienced greed, because this fucking pay
was so meager compared to the carousing
I was used to. Day in carriage, two on foot. Now I had to ration my money: this amount was set aside for rent, this amount was set aside for the bus,
this amount… I basically had to budget my funds. Yeah. For the first time ever.
And I liked it. I experienced some
sort of grown-upness, because I’d never done that before,
it was something new. Several years later,
my husband found a job. I found out that they regularly
cooked vint over there. – At work?
– Yes.
– What was the job? They were loader-guards. They’d stay on their
pay night and cook. He would talk me into it: “Just once.
Just once. Just once. Just once.” If you tried it, you’re an addict for life. It’ll stay in your head forever. There are no ex-addicts. And it’s not even about withdrawal. It’s in your head. You want it. I shot up with them once, twice. Quit again. Didn’t use for several years. Then I got the itch myself. I got the itch myself.
I got some heroin. It was cheaper at the time. I shot up once. Gave the leftovers to someone that
I knew was an addict and needed it. This happened a second time
maybe five months later. Then I married another person. And they found out
that I used to use. They started telling me
five times a day: “You’re an addict. You’re an addict.
You’re an addict. You’re an addict…” As a result of that, I met a guy
at work who was an actual addict. I asked, he bought me some. Once, twice, three times — and I got on the system. How many years ago was this? This was in 2016. Then in early 2017, I quit. But not for long.
I maybe quit for 4 months. – “On the system” means
shooting up every day?
– Yes. And more than once. Can you work in that condition? You can, but very few
manage to do it. Very few. Most addicts steal. – They steal?
– Yes. Where did you get the money? I had a job. – What did you do?
– I sold tap beer. We’re watching him, and his
energy is through the roof. How do you feel about it
as his partner? I have a lot of respect for him. Because to all of his hobbies,
passions and way of life, he manages to very
seamlessly attach purpose. I can’t say this is the only
reason I love him. It’s honestly very weird that
we’re together. It is. But using his valuable, complicated,
difficult life experience, he manages to help others. Let’s say he’ll go wakeboarding in
the morning or whenever he has time, then get to talking with
some dude and tell them: “Go get tested,” or “Here’s a pharmacy gift card, go get
some syringes so you don’t get infected,” or “Man, you have HIV, let me
take you to the AIDS Center.” This happens all the time. He uses his experience to help out
people with a similar life story. These guys wouldn’t have
listened to your or me, or some suit, or
a bow tie-and-glasses type. – Whereas he’s someone…
– From their world?
– Exactly. Because he used to be a junkie. Did it ever bother you that
he used to be an addict? – Not at all. I mean…
– There are no ex-addicts, are there? Phew! It’s complicated. I realize I’m probably not ready
to share a living space with someone who actively uses and
doesn’t want to do anything about it. Knowing a bit about
this subject too, I have a decent idea of what
you can do to stop using. If the person living with me wasn’t
doing anything, we would’ve separated. I hope he’ll stay clean
for as long as possible. I would love to grow old with him
and bring up our children so they grow up and leave so you can relax and stay in bed without worrying if they’re fed
or not and if they’re back or not. This is all far away. This means he needs to hang on
for about 20 years. Otherwise it’ll be really bad.
I expect. Tough. I was in shock. I was in denial. I ran away from the hospital. I went to a few other places to get my blood tested. I could believe that I had AIDS
— not AIDS, HIV —
 for a long time. Do you know how you got it? I believe I got it from those people that originally got me
addicted to vint, because I later learned that the man, it was a man and a woman
that said they were a family couple, the man had died
about six months later. He had had AIDS. I’m sorry for asking, but do you mean
sharing a needle or sexual contact? I mean sharing a needle. So you were shooting up
with the same needle? I believe so. I wasn’t keeping
track of this part. They’d just come up to me with a syringe
and say, “Give me your arm.” They weren’t particularly well-off. Besides, at that point, they were what you’d call
“out-and-out addicts.” So I think yeah,
it was the shared needle. Several million teenagers
will watch this episode. What are the one, two, three most important
sex ed things they need to know? Condoms. No IV drugs. Needles are forbidden.
Any needles. That’s it? That’ll do? For people… Regular testing.
Self-administered even. For any and all STDs. It’s vital to keep in mind
that ALL STDs are either treatable, or rather curable, completely, or you can live with them
normally, like with HIV. When you found out you were infected,
did you know the difference between HIV and AIDS? That you can live normally with HIV..? No. I didn’t at the time. Only three or four years later, I began
to look into this process in-depth — what HIV and AIDS were. How it’s transmitted, how you live with it —
the dos and don’ts. That’s when I began to understand it. That I’m basically like everyone else, and the protection I need
is not that serious. (muffled electronic music) Music! (knocks four times) (chatter) – (Dud’) Hello, gentlemen!
– Hi!
– Hello. – (Ulyanov) You’re fucking interrupting!
Get your asses down.
– (Dud’) Sure, sure! (drummer, pretending to be a woman)
Goodness me! I’m not dressed! (everyone laughing) (scattered electric guitar and bass notes) (band member) Mishka, get your ass in there,
let’s play some fucking rock-n-roll! (drums and electric guitar) ♪ We’re riding, riding, riding our old bear ♪ ♪ We’re riding, riding into spooky woods ♪ ♪ We’re going, going, going, going, going ♪ ♪ To steal away the giant’s golden goose ♪ ♪ Yeah! Yeah! Oh yeah! ♪
(music trails off) I’ve loved music for a long time.
We got together because we all do. I learned one was playing this,
another was playing that. Fourth one I saw noodling
alone on social media. That’s how we started this little
band maybe three years ago. – (Dud’) So they’re all people from online?
Not pals from the hood?
– No. They’re all my pals from
different support groups. Something you should know: today, you shook
hands with at least four HIV-positive people. – Seriously?
– Yeah. – Some of the band members are?
– Yes. When my first husband’s
mom found out I had HIV, she said she wanted to talk to me and said: “Here’s the deal. “If you infect you,
I’ll shoot you dead.” She kept an air gun
in a safe at home. I knew this. Besides,
she’s a confident woman. She actually used it
a few times in the subway, because some half-drunk
men tried to harass her, and she shot at their legs. And I believed that she
would literally kill me! Thankfully, as you can see,
no one got infected. He died a healthy person. – He died?
– He died. Yeah. Because of drugs. Yeah. I think out of about
twenty kids from my block, only I and one more boy lived. He never ever tried anything. You know, there’s a great example
that I’ve had in my life for years. It’s my own uncle who says that I shame the family
when I say that I have HIV. Why? What’s his reasoning? I don’t know. Having HIV is disgraceful? Only gays, hookers
and addicts have HIV. He once told me: “You talk about HIV. Do you also mention
that you used to shoot up like a faggot?” Basically… That’s all his reasoning. It’s to the point where he tries
to pressure my grandma… I’m registered at my
grandma’s place. He says, “Void it!” You know? Totally out of touch. How did your parents react
when they found out that..? I’m not sure that they know. We never had the talk. I believe it’s Seriozha’s business. If he considers this necessary and
important and finds the right moment to discuss it with
my parents, he will. He is very open with this as you
can tell from his interview. They may randomly
find out from the news. We may then have some
kind of discussion. I sometimes play it out in my head.
It doesn’t sound too bad. I guess if there’s a super bad reaction, a sort of
torrent of emotion, we’ll have to wait it out. In any case, it will not affect
my feelings about him. I mean, IN CASE my parents
or anyone else says, “Don’t talk to us, don’t come to us
until you sort this business out,” then obviously, THEY will
leave my life temporarily. But I suspect that they’re sensible
and everything will be cool. I think they’re kind
and sensible people. I’d say there are still gaps
in doctors’ knowledge. Because the first people to try
and avoid us are, in fact, doctors. How so? Well, you come to a doctor, let’s say a gynecologist, they put on three pairs of gloves, they wear two masks and they examine you like this. From a distance. A friend of mine wanted to go
to a dentist to get prosthetic teeth. Out of four or five dentist’s
offices that she’d been to, only one doctor — she was upfront
with everyone that she had HIV — only one doctor, an older gentleman,
agreed to work with her teeth. Everyone else refused
upon hearing about HIV. HIV-positive people
desperately need support. Moral support. Because they call HIV
“the anxiety sickness.” The more anxious you are, the faster
your immune system deteriorates. If others don’t recoil from them, if they feel normal in society, meaning that they’re socially adapted and people don’t recoil
or run away from them, they feel much better. We’re not lepers.
We’re essentially just like you. We’re no different. A family took in a child
from an orphanage. [This was in Novosibirsk Oblast]
A family took in a child
from an orphanage. [This was in Novosibirsk Oblast]
Only after adoption, it turned out
they were HIV-positive. Only after adoption, it turned out
they were HIV-positive. The family was in shock.
They never agreed to that. They had to overcome
certain internal barriers to accept this situation and keep the child,
and not return it to the orphanage. ‘Cause returning to orphanhood
is a real nightmare. – Don’t even mention it.
– You get it. So they accept the child
but end up facing the stigma and the discrimination
we often talk about, where the school looks at him askew
and says, “We don’t want him,” where neighbors, friends and family
say, “Why would you do that?’ The family was thinking
of moving to another town, because in a small town, where everyone
knows each other, it’s pretty dramatic. – He was a leper.
– Of course. I don’t know what had to happen
for things to change. The scandal, because there was a scandal
after the media caught wind of this, must’ve altered some
of the people’s views. At least they started doing
what the law prescribed. I don’t know if it changed anything
in people’s heads. I hope it did. But similar stuff still happens: like the camp near Nizhniy Novgorod
that refused to accept those children. The only reason was
that they had HIV? Basically, yes. As far as I could tell,
the staff was scared for their and their children’s health. As if the virus was airborne.
But it isn’t! An infected person coming up
the stairs holding the railing won’t make the whole building
uninhabitable for everyone else. It doesn’t work like that. – HIV doesn’t spread through saliva?
– No. If an HIV-positive person and I share
that slice of pizza over there… – I won’t get infected?
– Go for it. Not a chance. Is HIV transmittable through a kiss? No. It’s not transmittable
through a kiss. – Food?
– It’s not transmittable through touch or air. Or food. For example, if some blood
from an HIV-positive cook got in it. Some fear that cooks cut
themselves with knives and… Even then, HIV is not transmitted. There were no cases. Gym? – Same barbell, same towel?
– Unless you have sex in the gym… So no. Sport equipment is safe. Tools, household items,
subway, railings, whatever. You can’t get HIV through them. Dentist? We haven’t had any cases
of infection at a dentist’s office. This could have something to do with
the fact that saliva is deadly to the virus. Also, the heat from the dental drill, when it’s operating, kills the virus too. Can you get HIV at an aesthetician’s? In theory, it’s possible if the aesthetician uses the same injection equipment, like needles or syringes,
on all patients without sterilizing them. There’s actually a greater chance
to contract hepatitis this way than HIV. Tattoos? Same thing with tattoos. If the tools weren’t sterilized
or they’re not single-use, there’s a good chance to get hepatitis B, there’s also a risk of hepatitis C, and less probably, HIV. But if they get a new needle
in front of you, you’re safe? I believe so. New syringe too, don’t forget. Can you get infected through
blood transfusion? This was a big problem
at the start of the epidemic. In France, thousands
got infected this way. Here, we started testing
for it as early as 1987. We started testing donor blood. Today, it’s extremely rare — about one
infection in five million transfusions. This has to do with
technical hurdles or mistakes of medical personnel. Human error exists everywhere. But the risk is minuscule. But I’d personally recommend
trying to avoid blood transfusions. Because many see it as a panacea. People think they’re getting good treatment
if they give them blood transfusions. In all the cases that I remember, blood transfusion
wasn’t necessary once. In a couple of years, yours and Rita’s
son is going to the kindergarten. What do you think
the reactions are gonna be to the fact that it’s a child
of someone with HIV? I’m so anticipating it. When they start saying that. ‘Cause it’s like fuel to me. When people stigmatize others, when they encroach on
others’ rights, et cetera. This is the only area
where I go bananas. I go bananas. I go all out.
And, you know… It’s the kind of injustice
you can push back. I believe you have to fight
stigmatization out in the open. Many of my friends won’t reveal
their status to this day despite being profound
anonymous activists. I mean in terms of writing letters,
complaints, appeals, etc. But they can’t reveal their status
because their kids go to school. I believe that the best tool for fighting
the stigma of HIV is being out there. Your reasoning is, when people see just how
many HIV-positive people surround them… – …they’ll react to them as something normal?
– Exactly. Exactly. My other half and I had a discussion
about HIV. I told her my stance. Give me your estimate of whether
it was scientific and logical or what I said was absurdly romantic,
idealistic, and overall bullshit. So here’s the scenario we discussed. If we suddenly found out today
that one of us has HIV, and it wasn’t due to cheating… This happens even to couples that…
Let’s say we split up for six months, right? – We split up. We had sexual relations
with other people.
– Sure. You put it on pause. Then, having realized no one’s closer,
we got back together, but one of us came back with HIV. – To me, this wouldn’t be a cause
to end the relationship.
– Totally. In my head, with modern medicine,
HIV is no different than gastritis. Only gastritis also hurts
and limits your diet, while here, you take that pill
and can live to very old age. Short answer is yes. Slightly longer answer is yes, but with caveats. – What are they?
– Caveats that have to do with
availability of medication. And where you live. In Moscow and Peter, yes. If you live in a small town… Again, this is definitely
no reason to break up. This is still a yes. But if we run with
the gastritis comparison, the caveat is that with gastritis,
you go to a drug store and for 50 or 100 rubles,
you get your medicine, Almagel or whatever
you take for it. With HIV, you can’t buy
your own pills, and the AIDS Center may
not have ’em in stock. Tell us about the picture. This is a replica created by two of our
wonderful volunteers, Andrey and Zhenia. It’s a replica of a famous piece by the American artist Keith Haring who also died of AIDS. The whole series with
these little men… They were actually featured
in a Uniqlo collection last year. Uniqlo made a ton of shirts with… – With pictures of..?
– With Keith Haring’s pictures. This particular work was part of a whole
series on the fight against AIDS. And the so-called… See the pink triangle over there? It’s the symbol of
the LGBT rights movement. They put this triangle on gays
and lesbians in Nazi camps. This work was dedicated to
the American ACT UP movement that fought back against HIV in
the early years of the AIDS pandemic. In fact, it was thanks to ACT UP
that they ended up finding the cure so quickly, that the American government
joined the cause and the American pharmaceutical
industry joined the cause — it was thanks
to the ACT UP activists. This entire series of Keith’s
works was dedicated to them. Had Freddie Mercury
gotten sick today… He would’ve been alive
and fabulous, and… – Sold out Wembley.
– Of course! I understand that Freddie Mercury died
because he got sick back when [Freddie Mercury announced he had AIDS]
[on 23 November 1991. He died the next day]
I understand that Freddie Mercury died
because he got sick back when [Freddie Mercury announced he had AIDS]
[on 23 November 1991. He died the next day]
therapy that could extend your
life into old age didn’t exist yet? therapy that could extend your
life into old age didn’t exist yet? There were drugs that could’ve
extended his life a little bit, these drugs existed, but as far as I remember,
he refused to take them, because the drugs were
pretty toxic at the time. So he didn’t want to take them. Toxic means the body
didn’t like them? Well, yes. They harmed
the body themselves. This was azidothymidine, known as
zidovudine in other countries. It caused anemia. It affected your blood. Anemia. Pale chlorosis. Pale thin girl, barely alive,
because she has a lack of blood. “Lack of blood” is the proper
translation of “anemia.” Had Freddie Mercury
gotten sick today, he would’ve continued to sing and
sell out arenas across the world? I cannot give you the names of modern
HIV-positive Freddie Mercuries that have no problem
performing their artistic duties. They’re numerous. Believe me,
you know many of them. – In Russia too?
– I meant specifically Russia. Other countries have plenty too. Without mentioning any
names or anything like that, talking to these people,
these famous HIV-positive Russians, has either side ever mentioned
that if some of these celebrities from music or politics,
or whatever admitted that they have HIV, this would make life a lot
easier for other people. Of course. This had a major
preventative effect too. There was this famous athlete in America,
a volleyball or basketball player… – Magic Johnson.
– Magic Johnson, yes. When he admitted, “I have HIV, and I got it
heterosexually, from a woman,” this was major news. First off, he’s black. And black people thought
that only white homosexuals could have AIDS. This was a major
blow to them. The fact that you could contract it from
both men and women, heterosexually, also made a great
impression on people. This was a significant contributor
to the fight against HIV. If I always screw with a condom, regardless of whom I screw,
I can never get infected with HIV? Most likely, yes. Even if I do it with an addict, even if I do it with an HIV host? HIV-positive. Yeah. Yes. Most likely, yes. The World Health Organization says that the effectiveness of condoms
in preventing HIV infection is 80%. Russians, particularly here in Moscow,
say, “But it’s only 80%!” But it is kinda alarming. In reality, sweethearts… Where’s the camera?
I’ll say it right into it. [*Major city near Moscow.]
Keep in mind that the WHO
is not Mitishi* Utility. It operates GLOBALLY. In addition to Russia, it also considers Ethiopia,
Mali and Botswana. I.e. countries where they wash rubbers
in washing machines and even with hands. So even in countries where
women wash condoms made out of fucking intestines eight to ten times over,
like it’s the 16 or 17 century, even then, the condom
works 80% of the time. I hope you don’t wash
used rubbers. I think you need to drag the population
of Russia across some desert for 40 years to definitely get rid of all
the prejudice towards condoms. Anyway, as I said,
to establish a new norm you want to spread
more information. What’s the first enticing
thing for young people? What forbidden fruit do they
want to experience and try? In my youth, it was the proverbial
VHS tape hidden behind the TV. I watched it and couldn’t
fucking believe this was real. You know? You mean if this beast in
the porno has a condom on… Of course I’ll wonder,
“What the fuck is that? “My dick looks different! “What’s up with this mister’s dick?” Also, sex ed in school. But the most important thing is that
parents talk to their children about this. It’s really important. Because no one talked
to me about this. If you ask me when I plan to start
talking about this with my son, I’ll say, “Fuck if I know!”
Because I don’t know either. But sooner or later,
this day will come, and I wanted him
to learn this from me. I want this to happen at home, not at some venereology clinic. (laughs) [*~$16.]
A large pack of condoms,
12 pieces, costs a grand*. – I was at this vocational school…
– There are cheaper ones. And they’re good.
There ARE cheaper ones. Sure. As long as it’s not
the cheapest 80-ruble brand. I read a lecture at this
vocational school. And the boys there translated this big pack
of condoms into five shawarmas. You get the point. What’s more important?
Rubbers or shawarma. Chow. It’s a vocational school. The students
are probably young people that are… – Not so rich.
– Yeah. They have other priorities. And they don’t value
their health yet. I can picture myself
as a university student. I go to the store and buy either a loaf of bread
and some wine or a pack of condoms. I’m 19. I’m hungry
and I want a drink. So what do I choose? Wine. It’s bad. It’s a risky scenario I’ve had
in my life more than once or twice. I guess we need some sort of relief
project with cheap condoms. It’s hardly gonna happen.
Capitalism is a vicious beast. Still. I wish someone tried. Actually, girls in their thirties
know what’s up these days. I wish younger girls
were like that too. Not this: “He said he
wanted no condom. “If I ask him to wear a condom,
he’ll think I don’t love him.” It’s like, no. He’s a moron
if he says, no condom. Yeah! (laughs) And actually, HE doesn’t love YOU,
if he says, no condom. That’s what I think. And always have. You have to work on prevention
INSIDE vulnerable groups. You have to test inside.
You have to treat inside. You have to spread
propaganda inside. You have to give out needles inside.
You have to allow methadone inside. [Methadone is used in maintenance treatment:]
[it’s prescribed as replacement for the abused drug.]
[This therapy is used in most countries around the world.]
[UN considers it one of the most effective solutions.]
[In Russia, methadone therapy is banned]
You have to offer
sex ed to teenagers. [Methadone is used in maintenance treatment:]
[it’s prescribed as replacement for the abused drug.]
[This therapy is used in most countries around the world.]
[UN considers it one of the most effective solutions.]
[In Russia, methadone therapy is banned]
It’s vital because teenagers
are the most vulnerable group. [Methadone is used in maintenance treatment:]
[it’s prescribed as replacement for the abused drug.]
[This therapy is used in most countries around the world.]
[UN considers it one of the most effective solutions.]
[In Russia, methadone therapy is banned]
Because teenage years
are the time when people begin to experiment
with everything at once. With drugs, with sex, “boys or girls” as they call it now. The famous Olympic medalist
Tom Daley recently said, [Tom Daley (b.1994), British diver, World Champion]
[and Olympic medalist. Openly gay. Married to]
[Dustin Lance Black, Oscar-winning writer of Milk (2008)]
The famous Olympic medalist
Tom Daley recently said, [Tom Daley (b.1994), British diver, World Champion]
[and Olympic medalist. Openly gay. Married to]
[Dustin Lance Black, Oscar-winning writer of Milk (2008)]
“Our generation
is much more fluid.” [Tom Daley (b.1994), British diver, World Champion]
[and Olympic medalist. Openly gay. Married to]
[Dustin Lance Black, Oscar-winning writer of Milk (2008)]
Yes. Of course it’s
“much more fluid.” Yes. Of course it’s
“much more fluid.” There’s not much
of a difference today. You have to talk about this.
Russia does not talk about this at all. Russia doesn’t have sex ed.
It’s banned. Go say the word “condom”
in a school. You’ll immediately get sued. As a direct result, you’ve got
a ton of teenagers, A TON of teenagers, that get HIV through sexual contact. And this is just HIV.
We’re not even talking hep C, we’re not talking all the countless
sexually-transmitted infections that no one even counts. – How old was the youngest person
with HIV you’ve encountered?
– Twelve. – Who was it and how did they..?
– A girl. She spoke out about it openly. She got it through your
ordinary sexual contact. Somewhere from Ural. Yeah. Why are you looking at me like that?
You thought children didn’t have sex at 12? – They do.
– I hope they don’t at 12. Of course they do. – I mean I’d hope they didn’t,
but I realize that they do.
– Sure, you can hope. Again, in this respect, you’re just like the people
in charge of education here in Russia. It doesn’t mean you’re an asshole. It’s just that you say, “I hope.”
Well, they hope too. “We hope so hard that let’s
never talk about this.” Don’t hope.
Don’t hope that they don’t. People will start having sex at the age
that they think they should start having it. If a 10-year-old boy
gets erections and he’s “on the lookout”
so to speak, he will do it, regardless of our
hopes and wishes. But at the same time,
he doesn’t know shit. He’s actually stupid. He has no idea
how the world works. He doesn’t know
how to use a condom. He really doesn’t understand
why you can’t shoot up. What’s wrong with it?
Everyone shoots up! He simply can’t… Teenagers can’t walk straight. Their locomotive system
isn’t working properly yet. Same thing here. Sure, you can hope that they
will learn everything “naturally.” But otherwise, nothing is stopping
adults from educating them. Well, except for our government. The Russian government was
developing an HIV prevention program, and you said that, talking to the people
in charge of this program, you chuckled at them because they were physically
unable to say the word “condom.” I don’t know whether it was physical or,
after all, a mental block in their heads, stopping them from saying
this word in public. But indeed, I’ve never
heard an official, or some rep with an office
for that matter, say the word “condom.” It’s to the point of absurdity. ‘Cause one of the protocols
for sex workers said that they were required to use
personal protective equipment. (both chuckle) I would always ask what that meant:
gas masks or bulletproof vests? What did they mean? It was to the point
of ridiculousness: the member of the Academy
telling people to use condoms. [Vadim Pokrovskiy is a member]
[of the Russian Academy of Sciences]
the member of the Academy
telling people to use condoms. Partially, it has to do
with conservatism. But another reason is that condoms are
associated with prevention of pregnancy. Which also gives them another
euphemism to use — “contraceptive.” Because the state has been doing everything,
and still does, to improve birth rates, they believe that propaganda
of condom use should result in
population decline. – But it doesn’t?
– It doesn’t. Condoms are used to prevent
UNWANTED pregnancies. Greater use of condoms
will result in fewer abortions. Research in other countries
has already shown this. I understand that having
sex without a condom with someone you
just started dating is like the Russian roulette? – Yeah. Absolutely.
– You’re basically spinning the cylinder of a gun? Yes. Anywhere in the world. Wherever you are, and especially
in Russia, you can never do that! [Having sex with a new partner without]
[a condom is a huge, huge, HUGE RISK]
But she’s so nice!
She’s from a nice family. [Having sex with a new partner without]
[a condom is a huge, huge, HUGE RISK]
– Sure!
– She’s so tender. She’s an athlete. She… [Having sex with a new partner without]
[a condom is a huge, huge, HUGE RISK]
Okay! Just get tested! Okay! Just get tested! It’ll fucking take you 10 minutes! Come on! We have several buses
driving across Peter today. You open the site of the city’s
AIDS Center division and look up 24/7 numbers of NGOs
that administer this test. You call them, go there
and get tested. You’ve already…
This is first step done! – But that doesn’t mean you
can take the condom off.
– Why? – Because the HIV infection
has a Window Period.
– How long is it? It shows up on test systems
after four weeks to six months. You know? You still want to keep
the rubber on for six more months. After you got tested a second time, and if you believe each other
that neither’s cheating, if they’re your regular sex partner,
then go ahead. Take it off and go at it. You also want to test for hep
and other infections too. It’s just easier to do it all at once. Six months later, repeat the stuff
you need to repeat for HIV — and live long and prosper. I have a condom here. I always carry it with me for
demonstrations, to show it to people. Its expiration date
is actually coming up. You really want to use them
before they expire. This is actually a souvenir
from South Africa. I carry it in this pocket. Keeps my wife calm. She’ll check
if the condom is still there, if I’d used it up or not. She doesn’t know I have more. You need to have
at least three on you. That’s my biggest piece of advice. ‘Cause what if? It could break.
You could need another one. So at least three. More’s better. – Can you remind our audience
how old you are?
– I’m 65. – We’re so happy for you!
– Thank you. Best role model right here.
(Pokrovskiy chuckles) And the more…
Check this out. This is a scientific fact.
Russians say: “This is all Western shit.
It’s from the West.” I’m telling you,
look at the numbers! These aren’t just HIV numbers. They concern all STDs. In their world, where they
have sex education, where they talk to teenagers, where they even talk to teenagers
about their gender… You can’t even picture
this in Russia! People that do this are considered
foreign agents and pedophiles. Well, in their world, last year, they had 70,000 new HIV
cases per one billion. [70,000 new HIV cases]
[per 1,000,000,000 people]
they had 70,000 new HIV
cases per one billion. [70,000 new HIV cases]
[per 1,000,000,000 people]
While in our world,
world of sacred fidelity, [70,000 new HIV cases]
[per 1,000,000,000 people]
with no sex education, [70,000 new HIV cases]
[per 1,000,000,000 people]
where the word “condom”
is an outrage, [70,000 new HIV cases]
[per 1,000,000,000 people]
113,000 new DIAGNOSED cases,
keep in mind, our rate is very different, [70,000 new HIV cases]
[per 1,000,000,000 people]
per 146 million. [70,000 new HIV cases]
[per 1,000,000,000 people]
[113,000 new HIV cases]
[per 146,000,000 people]
per 146 million. [70,000 new HIV cases]
[per 1,000,000,000 people]
[113,000 new HIV cases]
[per 146,000,000 people]
All you need to do
is turn your brains on [70,000 new HIV cases]
[per 1,000,000,000 people]
[113,000 new HIV cases]
[per 146,000,000 people]
to see that maybe we’re
doing something wrong. [70,000 new HIV cases]
[per 1,000,000,000 people]
[113,000 new HIV cases]
[per 146,000,000 people]
The problem is that nobody
turns their brains on. The problem is that nobody
turns their brains on. They keep saying:
“No, we’re doing it right! “We have our own approach.” They tell ’em: “What ‘approach?’
Look at the numbers! “HERE ARE THE NUMBERS!” “No. This is our approach.” They call it “alternative vision” here. What are your thoughts
about the future? I hope we’ll eventually…
Not even develop a cure. I hope we’ll start
educating people, educating them en masse,
beginning in schools. Because I think teenagers
suffer from this the most. Many children were born here to parents who
aren’t just HIV-positive, but irresponsible too. Yeah. [HIV can be transmitted to the child]
[if the HIV-positive mother]
[doesn’t stick to her therapy during]
[pregnancy, childbirth or breastfeeding]
but irresponsible too. Yeah. [HIV can be transmitted to the child]
[if the HIV-positive mother]
[doesn’t stick to her therapy during]
[pregnancy, childbirth or breastfeeding]
To HIV-positive, yeah,
but irresponsible parents. [HIV can be transmitted to the child]
[if the HIV-positive mother]
[doesn’t stick to her therapy during]
[pregnancy, childbirth or breastfeeding]
Today, they’re around
16 to 20 years old. [HIV can be transmitted to the child]
[if the HIV-positive mother]
[doesn’t stick to her therapy during]
[pregnancy, childbirth or breastfeeding]
Their lives are really tough. Their lives are really tough. When you’re 16 to 20, the news that your
partner is HIV-positive sounds very different. Yeah. I hope we’ll have
more awareness. Yeah. Awareness of the fact that,
as I said, we’re not lepers and awareness that even
if your partner is HIV-positive, it’s not the end of the world. You can get condoms in any store,
in any pharmacy. They stop the virus. Of course I want to believe
in the wonder pill too. – Wonder pill?
– Yes. One-pill treatment. I mean, one-pill cure. Do you have a dream? At this point, I… (chuckles) (sniffs) …can’t tell. (in a cracked voice)
To live longer. (Dud’) Last thing that brought
you joy, a lot of joy. What was it? Strawberries. (laughs faintly) – Strawberries?
– (quietly) Yes. (sniffs) Strawberries. They also
brought me ice cream this morning. (sniffs) I was ecstatic!
(laughs faintly) (sniffs) We don’t really need
much over here. [17 days after this interview, Katia died] (title card uncharacteristically fades in in silence) You’re not together anymore? – We’re not together.
– So what went wrong? You know, it always pissed
me off when mom said… Dad left, and I tried to find out
as a kid whose fault it was. She’d always say,
“Both are to blame.” It pissed me off so much. I’ve finally matured to get it, this phrase. ‘Cause I have a pretty good
idea of where I messed up, where I was uncaring, where I’d go off-kilter
from stuff at work and wasn’t experienced enough
to blow off steam elsewhere. I’d bring it home, I’d act up,
I would raise my voice. I’d ooze negativity and
pick on nonsense. So… Sometimes SHE’d mess up. It all eventually led
to the point where this something, this thing that created the magic, this feeling itself went poof,
and it was gone. It went away somewhere, and you’re
like, “Fuck!” And you can’t find it. We tried to do something. We went to travel,
leaving our son with his grandma. He was three at the time. Yeah. But it didn’t help. I’m trying to maintain
this subordination… This distance. Not subordination,
I’m sorry. So as to learn to live apart. ‘Cause some people
think that we’re lying and actually secretly screw
time to time. But… You know? It’s like we’d fused
together in a sense. It’s a lot of time.
Thirteen years, isn’t it? He’s like my brother
at this point. But you’re like real homies? Yes! I love her as
the mother of my child. I respect her. I…
I don’t know. No other person on planet Earth… First off, we spent ten years
together. Ten years! It’s like… I became what I am
being with her. It’s not something
you can just flush. (acoustic guitar plays several notes and goes silent) (faintly in the background)
This is shit. – (cameraman) Sounds familiar.
– Wait and see.
– (band member) Let’s go! (bass drum and acoustic guitar intro) (drum set and electric guitar join in) ♪ The Moon is fading away out in the distance ♪ ♪ And dreams, like dust, have scattered around ♪ – (Dud’) What do you call yourselves?
– (Ulyanov) Ulyanov and Sons. – Ulyanov and Sons?
– Yes. You’ve adopted these people? No. They came up with the name.
I only raised my hand to vote. I’m for it. – You were for it?
– Yes. Actually, we had a little… You’re a humble
and totally not vain. I bear my cross. – You mostly play covers?
– Yes. – At least two songs were by
Konstantin Stupin.
– Yes. The lyrics hit close to home. The tunes call to the heart. It just all very relatable stuff. Many don’t know who
Konstantin Stupin was. He first became famous,
I believe, in 1990 at the same festival where Nogu Svelo!,
NAIV, Bahit Kompot first emerged. Yes. His band was called
Night Cane. – Night Cane. And he was a heroin addict?
– Yes. He also spent many
years in prison. Yeah. I don’t know
how many exactly. – (Dud’) I believe nine.
– But his whole life… And especially his later
years were going down… He was spiraling the shithole
like a true rock-n-roller. You sense similarities with him? Yes. Of course I do. You’d think the state would realize
that over a million people have HIV and that only about 65%
of all cases are known. 35%, we’re unaware of. And it’s an ongoing thing. We don’t know of 35% today.
We won’t know of 35% tomorrow. The rate of testing, despite the reports
of its successes, is low. People care very little to know
what their health looks like. This is not just about HIV. People care about other things. Like surviving. The poorer the nation,
the less it cares about its health. And the nation IS getting poorer. While the government is all over
the place: some people are… For example, we have sensible
people in the Ministry of Health. They’re sensible people.
They understand what’s up. The person currently in charge
of the Ministry of Health [This interview was recorded before Veronika Skvortsova]
[was fired from the position of Minister of Health]
is a wonderful doctor
from a long line of doctors. [This interview was recorded before Veronika Skvortsova]
[was fired from the position of Minister of Health]
HIV is not exactly her
area of expertise, [This interview was recorded before Veronika Skvortsova]
[was fired from the position of Minister of Health]
but her father was a professor,
and her grandfather was a professor. but her father was a professor,
and her grandfather was a professor. She comes from a family that developed
a whole world-class treatment system. She’s a doc herself.
They know what’s up. They understand how unscientifically
the problem is being treated today. But they can’t do anything about it, because
there’s another decision-making body, like our security agencies, that say, “No, we ain’t
treating no junkies.” Security agencies do this because
they’re in control of the flow. – Of drugs?
– Naturally. Among others. And also because they’d have to manage the implosion that would occur if people
suddenly opened their eyes in those least flourishing federal subjects.
They don’t want that either. – Open eyes lead to questions?
– Naturally. Of course they do. It’s obvious. Tons of people do IV drugs. Millions. Not hundreds of
thousands — millions. Can you explain briefly and in clear terms
what maintenance treatment is? Originally, it was developed as
a way to treat drug addiction. For example, if the person
takes heroin and they need several
shots every day, i.e. they have this need,
this dependency, they offer them to visit a special
office, a clinic, every morning to drink a small cup of syrup that also contains a drug, but you don’t need
a syringe to take it. As a result, the person does
a lot fewer injections, which reduces the risk
of spreading HIV. So they drink it, and they don’t need to get
high at least until tomorrow morning? Yes. Additionally, if they’re HIV-positive,
they also give them an antiretroviral pill. The visit to the clinic serves a double purpose:
it also gets them used to HIV therapy. They visit every day and..? They visit every day,
and eventually, they offer them to switch to a drug addiction
treatment program. At which point, they join a psychological-type
program to treat their drug addiction. This is a working method. 750,000 addicts in Europe use
this maintenance treatment. Do they drink this syrup the rest of their
life or does the portion get smaller? Yes, the idea is that it gets smaller and
smaller, and eventually, they stop taking it. This is a great solution
for fighting HIV: they make fewer injections,
which reduces the spread of HIV. That’s why it’s great against HIV. I would argue in favor of this
treatment against anyone. The main problem is that the people
in charge of this country grew up and developed as individuals in the environment
of rejection of expertise. These people don’t understand
what’s real and what isn’t. They’re still not 100% sure
the Earth’s round. I know for a fact that people
from 55 to 70 years old, these late-Soviet men and
women in charge of Russia, they’re still not 100% certain
that HIV exists, that’s it definitely wasn’t
created in some CIA lab, that all your claims
about this epidemic aren’t part of some conspiracy against
Russia paid for by suits from Langley. – Anton, are you for real?
– Of course it’s all real. I read the reports
they send upstairs. They have special expert institutes for this,
while people in charge of… People bring reports to Putin
or his deputies that AIDS was..? – What deputies? Emperors don’t have deputies.
– …that AIDS was created by the CIA?
– Absolutely. And they actually believe this stuff. You have to understand this — 
these people actually believe this stuff. They come up with it
themselves and believe it. [*Lit. “dustpan,” derogatory name for the Soviet Union,
and sometimes its modern sympathizers.]
But wasn’t the one good thing about sovok*
that the state acknowledged science? So here’s what’s important. – Then how come they..?
– Correct. The state… That’s what I meant. At some point, back in sovok, they rooted this devotion
to science out. This was later sovok. Because in reality, the Soviet
science that we know of, “the great Soviet scientists,” was the science
of royal universities. There was no science that had
ORIGINATED in the Soviet Union. All famous Russian pioneers,
Nobel Prize winners and so on had either graduated
from royal universities or had personal mentors that had
graduated from those universities. Everyone else just stumbled into
this dump of dying Soviet science. For example… A math professor, wanting to get
some money from a publisher, that was his only way
to make money, could write 14 books of “new history.” That’s where the idea
came from that in reality, pharaohs and Ancient Greece
never existed — that it all happened 500 years ago,
and it’s all the same. And that the Etruscans were
either Russians or Ukrainians. And it all happened
on the island of Bergen. People actually believe this stuff. Similarly, they believe that all
viruses are cloned in CIA labs. Why CIA? Who would clone viruses?
That’s not how it works. Civilization came to exist from
viruses cloning themselves! You, gentlemen, manage
to multiply too somehow! But you can’t convince
these people. They’re dead certain there’s
a catch or a conspiracy. There’s a conspiracy
to defame Russia, to smear it with shit by saying that
there’s an HIV epidemic in Russia. There is no conspiracy. There is no conspiracy! If you tell me that it’s a conspiracy,
I’ll personally take you to the line. I’ll take you to see people
fighting for a place in line to see the doctor once in three months
after coming to the city by train. This is Petersburg! I’m not even
talking about places like Kemerovo, or Yekaterinburg, or Tolyatti. ‘Cause people in those lines
will tear you apart. This is not the CIA. This happened because
then heads of Russia shit the bed big time as the epidemic
was beginning and unraveling. One could assume that
both you and Krasovskiy, in using the word “epidemic,”
reveal your ulterior motive: your work has to do with
helping HIV-positive people, and if the states agrees that this is an epidemic,
this cause will attract lots of money, i.e. more money passing
through your hands. (exhales) I would trade hell knows how many years
of my life for no HIV epidemic in Russia. Without hesitation. It’s like… There’s hepatitis,
there’s tuberculosis, there’s cancer, there’s ecology. I realized cash-intensive
areas don’t interest me. I care about those with
a social component. I could find something else. Thing is, HIV particularly affected me.
It’s personal in some ways. It concerns me the most. That’s why I’m doing this.
Not for… I don’t make a fuckton. I never have. I live in
a communal apartment. Come on! Seriously. What money? [*Krasovskiy’s quote from]
[the documentary “The Epidemic.”]
“The Ministry of Health will not acknowledge
the epidemic because it would upset the higher-ups.”* – Is that so?
– Yes. The higher-ups have their own
understanding of good and evil. They’re sad old men. Some of them have HIV, because they hire prostitutes and
don’t have the healthiest lifestyles, but I think that at the very
highest level, they’re clean, they don’t mess with prostitutes, or if they do, they properly
test them beforehand. They as people have
other kinds of diseases. They’re heart diseases,
vascular diseases, oncology. That’s why they’re personally more concerned
about these conservative, old-age diseases. Stroke, heart attack,
prostate cancer. Also, being grandpas,
they care about kiddies. They like children. As a result, we have
the state program to improve birth rate, the prenatal centers and so on. These are the principal concerns
of Russian health care today — the things the higher ups
care about. Let’s go see.
(cameraman drops something with a loud noise)
Good job. (Dud’) Don’t worry, Serioga.
I’m the one who should worry. (Krasovskiy) See? Mine has two lines,
yours has one. Congrats. – (Dud’) Two? Where?
– There’s two. That’s my test. – Mine has one.
– Yours has one. (Krasovskiy) See? Girls! Yuriy Dud’!
Man without HIV. (chuckles) But! Again! Let’s reiterate it. If I had HIV, but always
wore a condom… – Always?
– Always. – …girls would’ve had nothing to fear?
– Nothing. And if I started treatment… – You wouldn’t have needed the rubber.
– No rubber necessary. Yes. But don’t forget:
even if you start treatment, the therapy only protects
your partners from HIV, it doesn’t protect them from other
sexually-transmitted diseases. Let’s say it. Friends, testing positive
is no cause to walk out the window. [*Dud’ phrased this one poorly. Obviously,]
[he meant that you can live as long as]
[someone who doesn’t have HIV.]
You can live as long as you
would’ve lived before learning*. Honestly, our life is so shitty that you could
walk out the window even without HIV. (Krasovskiy chuckles)
But you shouldn’t. You shouldn’t!
Certainly not if you have HIV. – And now — thank you.
– Thank you, Yura. This wasn’t the longest vDud’ episode, but because the topic is so
important and sensitive, we decided to condense
its contents to two minutes. So if you missed something or started
watching from the end for some reason, here are our main points. AIDS is untreated HIV. HIV doesn’t kill people. But if you neglect it and don’t get therapy,
HIV progresses into the AIDS stage. Unlike HIV, AIDS will most certainly
have deadly consequences. If you tested positive for HIV,
that doesn’t mean you will die soon. The amazing films Philadelphia
and Dallas Buyers Club portray 30-year-old history. Medicine has advanced
a lot since then, and made it so if you get therapy,
you’ll live a long and healthy life. Just as long as people around you. If the HIV-positive person takes their regimen
following their doctor’s recommendations, they’ll have HIV-free children. If you meet an HIV-positive
person, you can: shake hands, wear their clothes,
swim in the same pool, drink from the same cup,
hug, kiss. Shying away from these
people is stupid. What you ought to shy away from
are unsafe sex and drugs. They’re still the two main
ways of contracting HIV as well as a bunch of other issues
that will hardly make your life better. We made this episode to share
knowledge with those who lack it and to make the lives of those
with HIV a little better. We really hope we succeed. Peace to everyone.

100 thoughts on “ВИЧ в России / HIV in Russia (English subtitles)

  1. Кое-что из внутренностей:

    00:14 Почему мы взялись за этот выпуск
    04:27 «Билет в бассейн стоил 50 рублей, палка ханки – 25 рублей»
    5:51 Реакция парня, когда у девушки — ВИЧ
    6:59 Зачем Красовский признался, что у него ВИЧ
    8:32 В России – эпидемия?
    10:04 Дудь проходит тест на ВИЧ
    13:37 «У меня ВИЧ» – «Ну, окей. Бывает»
    15:34 Чем ВИЧ отличается от СПИДа?
    16:30 Можно ли забеременеть, если кончить не внутрь?
    23:29 Куда идти, если у вас обнаружили ВИЧ?
    26:54 Романтика по-сибирски
    28:56 Встречаться с чуваком с ВИЧ и рожать от него – это нормально?
    32:18 Что такое терапия?
    35:10 Где брать таблетки?
    38:05 «Если мы будем давать таблетки всем людям с ВИЧ, мы остановим эпидемию»
    42:04 Что происходит, когда ВИЧ превращается в СПИД?
    43:16 Как у тебя появился СПИД?
    48:41 Серега слез с наркоты. Как это получилось?
    51:46 Почему Катя не смогла
    57:41 ОЧЕНЬ.ВАЖНО.ДЛЯ ПОДРОСТКОВ
    59:04 У Сереги есть своя рок-группа группа. Его кореша – тоже с ВИЧ
    1:00:27 «Заразишь его – я тебя застрелю»
    1:02:08 Что родители Риты думают о диагнозе Сереги?
    1:03:13 «Первые, кто шарахаются от нас, – врачи»
    1:06:29 Как передается ВИЧ?
    1:13:33 Если бы Фредди Меркьюри заболел сейчас, он бы выжил?
    1:16:13 Великий монолог про презервативы
    1:20:25 Сексуальное просвещение – почему его нет в России?
    1:25:16 Что делать, если очень хочется без презика?
    1:27:36 ВИЧ – это заговор ЦРУ?
    1:28:55 «Моя мечта – пожить подольше»
    1:35:26 Почему власть не реагирует на эпидемию?
    1:37:29 Заместительная терапия – что это такое?
    1:45:25 Дудь узнал результаты теста
    1:46:43 Весь выпуск – за ДВЕ МИНУТЫ

  2. Спасибо за этот выпуск, надеюсь у населения, а главное правительства, этой страны появится наконец мозг

  3. Интересно, хватит ли у простого российского работяги зарплаты, что бы ВИЧ не стал СПИД-ом? Или государство как-то помогает?

  4. Юрий,отличное видео,материалы,доступность получаемой информации,просто своими словами,людям все понятно!

  5. ВО ДВОРЕ БЫЛА ТАКАЯ ТАНЯ, К КОТОРАЙ КАЖДЫЙ МОГ ПОЙТИ КАЖДЫЙ, И ПОИМЕТЬ СЕКС

  6. Спасибо за такой информативный выпуск!Мое представление о вич изменилось полностью.Раньше и вправду меня бы испугало узнать о моем знакомом или родственники ,что он вич инфицирован.Теперь есть понимание ,что это такое и что не так все плохо.ВИЧ инфецированные люди, долгой и счастливой вам жизни !

  7. – ПРЕЗЕРВАТИВЫ НУЖНО ИСПОЛЬЗОВАТЬ ТОЙ ТАНЕ, КОТОРАЯ ТАМ ВСЕМ ДАЁТ.

  8. Мне очень грустно оттого,что
    гнобят людей ВИЧ-инфекцией.У меня есть знакомые с ВИЧ-инфекцией,не наркоманы.Они не открываются,т.к боятся гнобежа со стороны.Самое интересное,рождаются здоровые дети.Сколько спортсменов с "+" ВИЧ-инфекцией.Это закрытая тема,если я пытаюсь поговорить об этом,то меня "сливают",боятся потерять авторитет в среде,которой обитают.Странно и стрёмно.Грустно,что очень много неадекватных и непросвясщённых людей.Юра,спасибо Вам за программу.Посмотрела от начала до конца.Освятилась важная тема и глобальная-в плане незнания.Работая в аптеке слышу очень много интересных заместительных словечек и словосочетаний типа:гондон человеческий,презик для члена,гондон,чехол размера XXL и есть-ли больше ;))),самое любимое для наших ух:средство для индивидуальной защиты и насадка для…Просто ОГОНЬ!!!

  9. Было дело весной. Приехал стационарный пункт проверки ВИЧ, стою в очереди. Подходят мужички, и с ужасом:-"Смотри, там камера, еще кто увидит из своих по телеку, скажут спидозники". Темнота такая, что даже у пункта страшно стоять. Это очень и очень печально.

  10. Юра, все круто, но не вижу еще одной проблемы – есть движение , когда люди спецом заражаются ВИЧ, чтобы получать терапию и забыть о возможности заболеть СПИД…С одной стороны круто , что есть вирусная терапия, с другой она позволяет людям расслабится и не боятся заразится, а это еще больше двигает ВИЧ в массы.

  11. Очень хочется верить, что вирус не мутирует и человечеству удастся избавиться от него раз и навсегда

  12. Юра , выпуск инфа ✊, скинул родственникам и друзьям. Вы большие молодцы! Спасибо!

  13. от курева и бухни в сотни раз больше дохнут , и почему-то государству выгодно бухни и табачные изделия продавать.

  14. Сними выпуск про Эпилепсию. У меня брат болеет эпилепсией и мне очень страшно и я не знаю что делать.(

  15. Когда проходила тест в спид центре рядом были кабинеты куда больные приходили на приём… и меня реально поразило то что это обычные люди… мужчины, женщины…точно не наркоши.

  16. Ребята, спасибо за выпуск!!! спасибо за вашу работу!!! вы крутые!!!

  17. wtf! сравнение гастрита и его лечения в апетеке с вирусиом имунодефицита ….. браво! Фредди не вплетайте в канву за исходом лет.Не дебилизурейте подавляющее большинстово за счет откровений нарокоманов и меньшинств. ПРЕЗЕРВАТИВ не панацея для наркоманов. Посыл того что вы несете – ребзя, ширяйтесь! – ПРЕЗАВАРТИВ вас спасет! НЕ аплодирую.

  18. За 30 лет моей жизни это была самая доступная информация про ВИЧ. Выпуск побуждает просто встать и пойти сдать кровь. Я бы это сделал, если бы за последний год дважды не сдавал (работа и военкомат). Про экспресс тесты по слюне узнал впервые, уже заказал упаковку для близких.

  19. За все время обучения в школе всего 1 раз приглашали психологов, которые занимались половым воспитанием. В словах все было настолько завуалировано, что смысл лекции никто не понял. Из всего запомнилось, что вокруг наркоманы и ВИЧ инфицированные, и как страшно жить! Это только пошатнуло мою детскую психику.

  20. Это что реклама таблеток? Не бойтесь дети таблеток – Так фигня, две сотни в год и вперёд. И вообще ничего не бойтесь, таблетки помогут.

  21. Юра, 4 месяца назад я похоронила брата. Он ничего не успел, он ничего не увидел, 34 года. Пожалуйста,расскажи про наркоманию, про то, как наркотрафик покрывается погонами, про то, что наркоманы – это не всегда конечные люди из морально разлошившихся семей. #РасскажиПроНаркотикиДудь

  22. О ВИЧ снято несколько фильмов, но их показали один раз и все.

  23. Юрий, сними, пожалуйста, ролик о том, что дрочить не вредно. У нас в России, с этим оголтелым православием, люди думают, к сожалению, обратное. Для молодого поколения, да и их родителей, это будет крайне важный ролик.

  24. Сегодня попыталась включить мужу этот фильм. Посмотри, пожалуйста. Он знает, что я плюс, если что. В итоге, с его слов« ,я не хочу это смотреть…" Смотрим биатлон. Я в ахуе.

  25. Зачем этот негатив нести в общество, люди и так слишком трусливые и загонестые. Лучше расскажите как контактировать с природой, как просить помощи, как любить и все эти болезни никогда не придут.

  26. Очень нужная тема в современном обществе я,,как мама троих деток ,говорю.Спасибо Юрий.

  27. Проблемный фильм собирает молодую аудиторию. Давно такого не бывало.

  28. Это не про меня .я мусульманин .И мусульманских стран такие болезни практически нет.Минимальный %

  29. дудь, позови дочку ельцина и у неё спроси за жизнь, не мучают её страхи за папкины взятки. щербакова то спросил.

  30. ВИЧ это проблема проблема в России в том что пол молодежи употребляет а пол молодежи сидит за закладки от пяти до десяти лет а самое страшное что все знают как купит наркотики со школы а мусора только рады сажать заклатчиков и потребителей высасываю последние деньги с их родителей но не кто не пытается вырубить проблему на корню так как правило в этих интернет магазинах заинтересованы сами мусора и наше доблестное провительство фильмы они блокировать научились а сайты продающую смерть и истребление нации они якобы не могут вот проблема нашего времени закрой сайт и ВИЧ уйдет не будут одной машиной гнать бульон по венам и обхуяченные с вичем трахаться это факт а этот филь бред для молодежи

  31. Вся это синтетика заражена вичем а она вызывает бурное желание заниматься сексом

  32. Ну у нас в техникуме этому всему просвещали.
    Да и в школе ещё все знали про гандоны.
    Был даже такой случай,когда на урок физики одноклассник принёс презик,и вместе с учителем они стали его наполнять водой)Не помню правда сути этого эксперимента))

  33. Я могу только одно сказать. Сперва они колются, потом переживают, плачут. Сами пришли к этому – живите с этим. Я не осуждаю, я поддерживаю тех, кто шарахается от больных, в частности врачей. Врач работает с кровью, при наличии каких-либо ран всегда есть риск подцепить болезнь через кровь. Не через рукопожатие, не через слизистые, а именно через рану, через кровь. Поэтому врач в праве отказаться от приема ВИЧ инфицированного в пользу себя. Это нормально! Это закон самосохранения! Нельзя гнобить ВИЧ инфицированных, но работать с ними должны только спец.учереждения, нечего ныть. ДА, мы кололись, мы этого не скрываем, мы такие-сякие, но теперь мы плачем

  34. Французские СМИ писали о Дуде о этой программе, что он молодец,поднял тему,которая в России табу

  35. Никогда! Никогда не смотрела выпуски твои! Но… Этот заставил задуматься. Никогда не сталкивалась с такой болячкой как ВИЧ и СПИД… Ни я не близкие.. были другие, типа рака… Которую боялась как огня, поняла если судьба, то жопа….Мне 30, а про ВИЧ я ноль, ну честно. Про то что можно плюнуть на тест и узнать свой статус я первые слугу, и хочу об этом сказать, я думаю таких неведающих 80%. Это видео очень полезное! Я блин пол жизни прожила многие слышу впервые.

  36. Юрец, я прошу прощения, но герои этого фильма весьма неприятные персонажи, за исключением, наверное Дениса Годлевского. Он не вызывает неприятных эмоций один единственный.
    Я прекрасно понимаю, что фильм не о том, чтобы кто-то понравился а кто-то нет, фильм о проблеме, о замалчивании её наличия, о недостаточном финансировании для победы над ней, о том, что неинформированность людей об этой проблеме усугубляет её и т.п.
    Тем не менее, я позволю себе немного порассуждать о героях. Ты, Юра, красавчик, спору нет, что поднимаешь остросоциальные проблемы, открыто говоришь об этом и доносишь до своей огромной аудитории важную, честную информацию. В этом во всем тебе огромный респект. Однако, коли уж ты стал таким популярным и приобрел огромную аудиторию очень хотелось бы надеяться, что ты осознаешь то, что твои ролики могут выполнять не только информативную функцию, но и популяризировать героев сюжетов, их образ жизни, манеру рассуждения и т.п. К чему я клоню?
    К тому, что герои этого фильма лично для меня – отрицательные персонажи. Один бывший наркоман, 4 раза сидел, воровал и прямо говорит о том, что ни дня не планировал работать а всю жизнь хотел кайфовать и тусоваться. Играет в подвале какой-то шлак со своими дружками – нарками… Тут же через 5 минут высохшая нароманка (которая, кстати вызывает только жалость) говорит о том, что наркоманов бывших не бывает. Это лишь подтверждает мои мысли о том, что эти чуваки в подвале собираются не только для того, чтобы песни попеть. Что за хрень, вичинфицированные нарики, которые называют себя бывшими, собираются в подвале, и кайфуют они там только от барабанов, матерных песен и гитар? Я в это не верю и мне неприятно видеть это и представлять что там происходит, до вас и после того как вы уехали. Разговаривает как гопник из подворотни, жена, мягко говоря, очень странная, это же блин переносит образ на часть твоих зрителей. Сейчас пацаны 15-летние насмотрятся и сочтут это за норму. С такими персонажами надо быть аккуратнее, учитывая то, что тебя 20 млн смотрят.
    Ушедшая из жизни женщина тоже весьма странную историю поведала: её попросили подселить пожить незнакомых людей и она согласилась. Ок, хотя меня это напрягло бы точно, хотябы потому что это не один человек, а компания. Ладно, идем дальше, потом она понимает, что они там торчат и долбятся, но говорит: "я не обращаю на это внимания, меня это не касается, чем они занимаются". Постойте, как это не касается, у тебя дома живут чужие люди, они оказываются кончеными наркоманами, варят там, долбят и тебя это не касается? А кого это должно касаться? Это ли не пиздец? Вот у меня дома никто не живет, но меня касаются даже наркоманы с соседнего двора и местные алкаши, потому что они потенциально опасны для моей жены, ребенка и я не могу их игнорировать.
    Третий чувак, гей, рассуждает вроде здраво, со всеми его словами трудно не согласиться. Тем не менее он долбаный пидрила. И то, что он говорит правильные вещи тоже создает противоречие внутри зрителя. Вроде он педик и надо бы относиться к этому негативно, а вроде говорит правильные вещи, шарит в проблеме, видно что он реально подкован с точки зрения науки, грамотно формулирует мысли… И не знай уважать его не знай презирать.
    Бывшая жена Дениса – тоже стремная пздц. Не знаю как описать что именно в ней не так, но что-то не в порядке очевидно, кожей чувствуется.
    Конечно, в 90-е года была определенная мода на "улицу", понятия, много наркоты было и прочей грязи. Время было такое, в стране голод, работы нет, родителям тяжело приходилось. Но кто-то вырос нормальным человеком, не скололся, не спился и смог вырулить из этого дерьма, а другие не планировали работать, а планировали воровать и торчать. А теперь он сидит в твоем ролике весь такой положительный, говорит что завязал, поет песни, у него сын, жена пиздец какая страшная и странная (которая кстати призналась что предпочла бы родителям своего вот этого торчка-музыканта). Его видят 20 млн человек и сопереживают этому деграданту. Меня перекосоёбило раз 10 пока я досмотрел до конца. И, Юр, ну нах таких героев! Вот в "Колыме" были интересные люди, обычные нормальные люди, приятно, интересно и познавательно. В "Беслане"…
    А тут просто капец.
    Юр, у меня лишь одно пожелание, совет, мольба, просьба – как хочешь принимай: не забывай, что чем больше твоя аудитория – тем больше твоя ответственность. Грамотным, образованным людям, способным анализировать информацию такие персонажи не навредят, просто потому что они правильно способны разложить информацию и "прочитать" её, взяв нужное. Но не вся твоя аудитория состоит сплошь из таких людей, поэтому кто-то может принять увиденное за должное.
    Я все, спасибо!

  37. Мне очень понравилось видео. Проблема которая важна. Много нового узнала и поняла, что делать если что либо такое случиться. Спасибо огромное за важную информацию

  38. Если убрать депутатов, чиновников и всех наших дармоедов, то есть прослойку в виде государства, эпидемии в принципе бы не было.

    Рука рынка бы сбалансировалу ситуацию хотя бы просто потому, что при свободном рынке каждый человек ответственнен за себя сам во всём – в плане финансов, жилища, здоровья, семьи, морального и эмоционального состояния.

    Говорят, что люди в США живут дольше не потому-что там хорошая система здравоохранения, а потому-что там очень дорого лечится, все это знают и люди следят за своим здоровьем, образом жизни и питанием.

    Россия же прекраснейший пример социального государства. Бесплатная диспансеризация в России позволяет каждый год выявлять у Россиян огромное количество болезней, но эта бесплатная диспансеризация никак не влияет на то, что люди приобретают эти болезни.

  39. Что с его лицом? Там что большая прищепка? Пзлц репликоноид

  40. Херня это всё- про отсутсвие просвещения. Спросите тех, кто заболел недавно. Чего они? Не знали? Знали, все знали, но думали, что их это не коснётся. Это всё про других. Это тупое- я ему/ей доверяла/любила и т.д. , в том числе и случайный секс. Правильно он сказал – проверка , через полгода ещё проверка и только тогда о доверии. Кто-то так делает или СДЕЛАЕТ в будущем. Да ни фига, сейчас на эмоциях побегут сдадут , успокоятся и будут жить, как жили, спать без презерватива и дальше и подростки и взрослые.

  41. Юрец, красава! Колыма, Беслан, а теперь ВИЧ. интересно, полезно, информативно!

  42. Самое эффективное средство от ВИЧ и наркомании – это слово "НЕТ"

  43. Зачем говорит про СПИДа про эти люди опасно с ним общаться я боюсь .их надо

  44. Было бы хорошо такой фильм посмотреть про анаболические стероиды! Так как каждый второй спортсмен щас их употребляет!
    Проголосуйте народ чтоб Дудь увидел это сообщение и возможно он сделает такой фильм в бушующем 💪🏼

  45. Прошу не оставить без внимания лечение маленьких детей. Один укол стоит 150 миллионов рублей! Они только родились. Совсем беззащитные.

  46. Информативно. Но Мир меняется молниеносно! Сейчас, если хотим иметь здоровое общество, жизненно необходимо информировать и информировать людей по всем вопросам!!! В школах внедрить уроки психологии, или даже психотерапии – это требование времени. Половое просвещение. Даже не о том, что куда тыкать, а что делать с тычинкой, чтобы не было заболеваний. Про слово презерватив и смущение, верно подмечено.

  47. Мне 37. И реально, до просмотра этого проекта был "слеп". Минимум элементарной информации, которую необходимо нести в массы и включить в обязательные часы образования в школах. Спасибо Юрий, это действительно "сильно"!!!!!!!

  48. До мурашек! Спасибо за проделанную работу.
    Дорогие учителя, распространите среди учеников! Информация на языке молодых.

  49. Очень оптимистичный фильм я бы сказал. Все намного сложнее. У моего друга началась саркома капоши несмотря на терапию, несмотря на то что у него аж 1500 клеток при средней норме человека 600-800. И никто в спидцентре не знает как и почему такое произошло. Как рассказывали про прозревшевшего человека на терапии ,так надо было рассказать что быаают обратные случаи, когда терапия бессильна или почти бессильна. А еще у нас лечат устаревшими препаратами. Герой который пьет 2раза в день 4таб может пить один раз одну таб более современного лекарства Тивикай. Красовский молодец. Не думал что он такой молодец. Дудю надо взять интервью было еще у властей. Много бы узнали какие они эти власти. Врач с спидцентре в москве принимает по 60пациентов в день, карточки ведут на бумаге почему то, электронных талонов и записи нет. Врач не успевает не то что подумать хорошо , а даже прочитать карточку. Гигантские очереди с утра перед входом занимают с ночи. Никто особо не хочет это менять. Наркомания прозвучала в фильме как проблема куда большая . Вот это для меня открытие.

  50. У меня сестра двоюродная умерла от СПИДа в 2016 ,но про диагноз, я помню это было ещё , когда мне было лет 12 ,в 2016 мне 17 было , вообщем за день или два до смерти она лежала с высокой температурой и не вставала ,мама там подгузники , всё передавала, и вот когда ,за день или два до смерти, мама с сестрой старшей, сходили проведать ,она сказала что у нее всё болит ,и сестра старшая, так лёгкий массаж ей сделала и старшая сестра рассказывала ,как она (двоюродная сестра) вспомнила , запоминающиеся моменты из жизни про меня там тоже говорила (это меня тронуло ,капец) я помню ,как она не часто ,но и не редко заходила к нам в гости , вообщем воспоминания ,как она танцевала под руки вверх , очень любила группу их ,потому что тех времён росла на их песнях , на новый год приходила после курантов с матерью ,жизнь конечно ,я думаю , родители должны , уделять время детям ,она раньше хорошо училась ,отличницей была ,после того ,как отец умер её она ,вообщем была на распутье (гуляла в компаниях ,пила ,ну естественно и "это"100%было .Сейчас брат с вичом тоже двоюродный ,он сидит с малолетнего возраста ,выходит , короче, не давно опять на свободу вышел, и так несколько раз ,и опять же родители ,не до глядели он забегал с интерната к матери ,отец у него тоже был сидевший (умер,давно ,лет 12-14 было брату , когда он умер)но он в их жизни роли не играл ,(жили они и живут в самом знаменитом месте не благоприятном под названием кресер ,там зэков куча ,алкоголиков ,наркоманов , естественно убийств) вообще в такой среде был постоянно в компании ,тоже заразился ,где то там,с больницы сбегает , толком не лечится … вообщем я ни считаю этих детей виноватыми ,так судьба сложилась ,и чтобы говорить ,что он вон сидел он вообще самый плохой человек на планете ,не буду ,он с нами по доброму разговаривал ,зона меняет людей ,судя по его последним высказываниям , сильно он меняется не собирается ,лечиться … ну посмотрим ,но у него уже почти под СПИД ,но ещё нет ,с температурой тоже мучился ,когда на зоне сидел , вообщем вот так вот . Нужно ,знать ,как на это реагировать ,как быть с такими людьми" бок о бок" ,молодец ,что такое интервью ,сделали .

  51. Юра, офигенный выпуск. Жаль что не подняли вопрос намеренного заражения ВИЧ.

  52. Дудь, признайся сразу, тебя весь салон YMCA тарабанил вот у тебя и вич.

  53. Юрий, "каеф", конечно, что люди начали сдавать кровь на ВИЧ, но что изменилось после вашего интервью? Что то в России изменилось, кроме вашего благосостояния? И состояния корпораций производящих тесты на ВИЧ, что вы сделаете дальше, может быть снимите фильм " Я заговорил про ВИЧ, многое изменилось в попсовой тусовке, которая смотрит меня" – это очень круто сыграть на чувствах миллионов и подобрать самых сильных персонажей для своего интервью. Умирающих!. Покажите остальных, Юрий, не тех кто живет нормальной жизнью, а тех кто выживает. Продолжите тему про просвещение в школах, по поводу сексуального воспитания! Где это Юрий! Вы как и любой публичный человек , суете свой язык в жопу, когда дело касается гомосексуалистов и сексуального воспитания, заявите официально, скажите, что это нужно! Вас к этому призывает вами же и интервьюируемый человек! Продолжите! Или вы считаете, что пройтись по цифрам и стерильным клиентам – это суть проблемы! Ты говоришь про мажористых и ухоженных, доля них же, когда ты заговоришь для России!

  54. Дуть дал пинок слугам народа и они разрабатывают новую стратегию по борьбе с ВИЧ. Голосуем на выборах за Юрия Дудя.

  55. Так смешно, когда люди, не имеющие отношения к наркотикам, называют героине "герычем".
    Заметили, что наркоманы никогда это слово не используют?))

  56. Спасибо тебе огромное Дудь. Выпускались до этого про ВИЧ и СПИД фильмы, но их безумно мало. Я не знаю, как в других школах, но в моей рассказывали о ВИЧ, сексе и презервативах, а также рассказывали о вреде женскому организму абортов.

  57. Юра и вся твоя команда-благодарю вас ребята вы просто молодцы!!!!!!!!! Респект из Израиля👍💕😘

  58. Давно бомбит тема по поводу проблемы ВИЧ в моей России. У Дудя большая аудитория и он может оказать воздействие на людей, которые могут и должны. Круто, что он поднял эту тему.

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