Virginia Beach School Board Special Meeting March 5, 2019

Virginia Beach School Board Special Meeting March 5, 2019


we’re bored of the city of Virginia
Beach is now in session this is our formal meeting format at
this time I ask that my colleagues and everyone in attendance please silence
their electronic devices and phones the purpose of this special meeting is for
the school board to discuss and take action on the school operating budget
for fiscal year 2019 2020 and the capital improvement program CIP for
fiscal year 2019 2020 through 2024 2025 and to discuss additional funds for
full-day kindergarten I asked my colleagues to acknowledge their presence
on the voting board and mrs. Melnyk is not with us this
afternoon she is in Hawaii on a family trip at this time I’m asking everyone to
join me in a moment of silence please rise as you are able for the
Pledge of Allegiance the chair will entertain a motion to adopt the agenda
the motion is made by mrs. Holt’s seconded by mrs. rye the voting board is
open the agenda has been adopted the chair will entertain a motion to approve
the resolution regarding school operating budget for fiscal year 2019
2020 the motion is made by mrs. rye seconded by oh I’m sorry the motion is
made by mrs. Riggs seconded by mrs. Weems the voting board is there is there
discussion seeing none the voting board is open I know we should probably have read the
resolution beforehand is that okay if we if we read it now okay and then we’ll
vote so mr. mr. mr. McDonald thank you budget
resolution fiscal year 2019 2020 whereas the mission of Virginia Beach City
Public Schools vbcps in partnership with the entire community is to empower every
student become a lifelong learner who is responsible productive and engaged
citizen within a global community and whereas the school board of the city of
Virginia Beach has adopted a comprehensive strategic plan and school
improvement priorities to guide budgetary decisions and whereas the
school board has studied the recommended fiscal year 2019 2020 operating budget
and view of state and federal requirements the strategic plan
priorities community expectations competitive compensation for employees
and the best educational interest of its students and whereas the next phase
third year of the five-year implementation plan of the planned
expansion of the BB C PS full-day kindergarten program is included in this
budget and whereas the city school revenue sharing policy provides thirty
four point one one percent of certain general fund revenues to meet
obligations of the school board of the city of Virginia Beach and whereas the
proposed operating budget moves all eligible employees up and experienced up
0.5 percent not to exceed the top of scale and provides a 2.5 percent
cost-of-living adjustment Cola for all employees and whereas the total funds
requested for fiscal year 2019 2020 from the city of Virginia Beach to the school
board of the city of Virginia Beach are four hundred and forty-eight
four hundred and forty eight million five hundred and thirty seven dollars
and whereas the debt service payment is estimated to be forty-five million three
hundred fifty six thousand nine hundred ninety six dollars leaving a balance of
402 million six hundred forty-three thousand five hundred and forty-one
dollars to allocate between the operating budget and capital improvement
programs CIP and whereas five million eight hundred thousand dollars of the
school special reserve fund which would have been normally used for major
one-time purchases will now be budgeted to
used for the fiscal year 2019 2020 operating budget now therefore be it
resolved that three million five hundred ninety one thousand dollars of the
sandwich tax increment financing TIF to be allocated to the schools pay go for
CIP with the remaining four hundred nine thousand earmarked for the operating
budget bringing it to a total of four hundred and three million fifty two
thousand five hundred forty-one and be it further resolved that the federal
funds in the amount of twelve million two hundred thousand along with state
funds in the amount of three hundred sixty four million four hundred and
sixty two thousand seven hundred fifty six dollars and other local funds in the
amount of three million seven hundred sixty eight thousand three hundred
forty-one dollars be added to the operating budget bringing it to a total
of for fiscal year 2019 2020 of seven hundred and eighty three million four
hundred eighty three thousand six hundred thirty-eight dollars and be it
FURTHER RESOLVED at five million eight hundred thousand of the school’s special
school reserve special revenue funded to the operating budget bringing the total
to seven hundred eighty nine million two hundred eighty three thousand six
hundred thirty-eight dollars and be it further resolved that the school board
of the city of Virginia Beach requests a lump sum appropriation of 789 million
two hundred eighty three thousand six hundred thirty-eight dollars from the
city council of Virginia Beach for the school board fiscal year 2019 2020
operating budget and be it further resolved that the school board of the
city of Virginia Beach requests an appropriation of 116 million six hundred
sixty two thousand six hundred and seventy nine dollars for categorical
grants and other special revenue funds comprised of federal grants the amount
of forty three million nine hundred forty-one thousand eight hundred ninety
nine dollars state grants the amount of twenty million nine hundred forty-eight
thousand three hundred and twelve dollars local grants the amount of 1
million seventy 1964 dollars green run collegiate in the amount of three
million nine hundred and thirteen thousand nine hundred thirty eight
dollars another special revenue funds in the amount of forty six million seven
hundred eighty six thousand five hundred city sixty six dollars and be it finally
resolved that a copy of this resolution be spread across the official minutes of
the school board and the clerk of the school board is directed to deliver a
copy of this resolution to the mayor each member of City Council the city
manager and the city clerk are there any further questions or
comments mrs. Wayans
um yes like I said this last week and I just wanted to say it again I appreciate
on Ferrell and our budget team back there that I’m have worked so hard these
last few months and um dr. Spence I think this budget really reflects what
the community has been talking about so much in the last two years and that a
special education and student safety it’s appreciate all the add-ins to that
and prioritizing that because I think that’s that’s a very important thing and
we’ve heard it from our constituents and and so I just appreciate that
so I will definitely support the budget thank you any other comments this is
right I just want to add to that with regard to the staff they fielded many
questions and rightly so I understands their job to do so from from those of us
up here but whether it was via phone or email just thank you for the prompt
responses that helped us navigate this process
thank you anyone else okay see no other comments the voting board is open no that was this one okay
the resolution regarding school operating budget for the year 2019 2020
has been approved the chair will now entertain a motion to approve the
resolution regarding the capital improvement program CIP for fiscal year
2019 2020 through 2024 25 the motion is made by mrs. Riggs seconded by mr.
Edwards is there discussion this is Manning yes I would just like to ask the
school board to consider in the future the types of schools that we are
building to save money I believe that in the past we’ve been using very expensive
architectural designs perhaps we could look into using the
same plans more than once in order to change in order to save money and for
that reason as I have in the past I’ll be voting against the CIP who’s there
anyone else who would like to speak she was as Williams yeah this is a tough one
in fact I was speaking with Tony Arnold today and and and some of my other
friends that are builders and some of my relatives that are builders in Northern
Virginia and um the CIP I understand we have to build great buildings because
they’re gonna last a hundred years and I get that but as a taxpayer and one who
talks to our taxpayers a lot teachers people in the private business one of
their main conversations it to me and questions is you know why are y’all
ability in those buildings why are they you know seemingly extravagant and why
you know I’ve got the numbers and and I know Tony can come up here and and tell
us that it’s the the going rate you know when we walk in those buildings it it’s
overwhelming how great they are nice they are and I just think that I’ve got
to kind of listen to our constituents and taxpayers and I think that we could
probably um reduce some of that spending in that
area so and I hope that we we try to do that in the future thank you you asked
mr. Edwards the pace of the CIP over the six years has got to be a concern when
you extend it out as we have beyond this six years this six year pace puts us
into the 20 to 25 years from now we’re we’re looking at buildings where people
think they probably need to be renovated or reconstructed now so I’m certainly
gonna support it because obviously it’s balanced and it’s the best we can do and
but I didn’t think I could vote on this without letting people know that you
know that no 2046 for a new Kempsville high school even though that’s what this
supports is not war I hope we’re gonna be and I’m you know I’m not convinced
that that ugly buildings are cheaper than nice buildings either I mean I you
know you can build them like a box and and but the the numbers that I look at
are the comparables between ourselves and other school divisions and unless
there’s some grandiose conspiracy amongst all of the school engineers and
architects to I mean I just when we look at the cost per square foot if we could
look at the number of square feet per student if we look at all you know and I
think a lot of us up here have done that and I know the staff has done a cuz
they’re the ones that have pulled out the numbers but the numbers are you know
we are easy to check on reference I’m not convinced there’s any
significant waste to make our buildings look as nice as they are I mean they are
nice-looking buildings and they have some really nice entry ways and stuff
like that but I don’t think it’s putting an unjust or inappropriate burden on our
taxpayers to have them that way so thank you anyone else miss wings yes I do
agree with you mr. Edwards in fact that a pacing needs to be quicker because we
do have so many buildings and I’m not talking about that I’m just talking
about perhaps saving on some of our buildings for an example I remember a
couple years ago where a few years ago we were talking about all donation
school I think a reporter or somebody said well couldn’t you cut that by a
couple million dollars and and one of us up here said well what would that do
just two or three million dollars well two or three million dollars to me it’s
a lot and if you just kind of cut that off of every single one then perhaps we
could get another school quicker so I’m not I’m not saying slow down the pace
because that’s probably part of the problem these buildings that are being
rebuilt is so unequal to go into an old donation school and
then a chemist fell you know so but I’m saying and then also I think there can
be a compromise between a box and ugly box building and the buildings that we
have now so I don’t want to slow down and I think we should renovate and
rebuild but be more conscious about how each individual one is the money is
spent so that we could actually do more thank you
this is Manny I agree with miss Weems and I’d also like to point out that
we’ve one architectural design awards for our buildings and to me that that
that shows dollar signs in my head so I don’t think that we should be looking
for architectural design awards we should be looking for effectively
efficiently built buildings I used the analogy of you know a Toyota and a
Mercedes are going to get you to where you need to go and they’re gonna both be
reliable cars but a Mercedes costs a whole lot more than a Toyota I think we
should be building Toyota level schools not Mercedes level schools and if you’ve
been car shopping lately but Toyota’s cost as much as per Sadie’s
i I just went through that plead me anyway
you know you know I just want to say some of the awards that we have won have
have been because we’ve won green school awards and that saves money in the long
run so I believe in building buildings that are efficient energy efficient and
also we’ll be here a hundred years from now I’m not saying that that we can’t
use some of the same designs more than once that might save us some money in
the long run as well but I do think we need to build quality schools that will
be here a hundred years from now anyone else so pardon you I think I think we
need to read the resolution thank you very much a fiscal year 2019 twenty
physical year 2020 for 25 capital improvement programs CIP budget
resolution whereas the mission of Virginia Beach City public schools in
partnership with the entire community is to empower every student to become a
lifelong learner who’s responsible productive and engaged citizen within a
global community and whereas the school board of the city of Virginia Beach has
adopted a comprehensive strategic plan and school improvement priorities to
guide budgetary decisions and whereas the primary funding force for the school
CIP have been the sandwich tax increment financing TIF funds and the issuance of
debt by the city and whereas the City Schools revenue sharing policy provides
three point three thirty four point one one percent of certain general fund
revenues to meet obligations of the school board of the city of Virginia
Beach and whereas the city school revenue sharing policy allocates funds
first to debt service while the balance is used for the operating budget and
whereas the school board has comprehensively reviewed all sources of
funding protected various scenarios and prioritize needs of the operating and
capital improvement budgets now therefore be it resolved that the school
board of the city of Virginia Beach adopts the CIP program of four hundred
and twelve million four hundred thirty one thousand dollars as shown on the
attached school board funding submarine project
summary dated March 2019 and be it finally resolved that a copy of this
resolution be spread across the official minutes of the school board and the
clerk of the school board is directed to deliver a copy of this resolution to the
mayor each member of City Council the city manager and city clerk any further
comments seeing none the vetting port is open the CIP for fiscal years 2019 2020
through 2024 25 has been approved next on the agenda we will discuss asking for
additional funds to finish the implementation of full-day kindergarten
throughout the division mr. Han’s occur would you please explain how much we
were asked we would be asking the city in additional funds to complete this
program good evening chairman Anderson school board members and doctors pants we went back and did a kind of a
quality-control look at what cost would be left how many additional schools we
would need to fund to fully fund the remaining schools that about 16 schools
and the cost that we’ve calculated would include the salary and fringe benefits
of the additional teachers teacher assistants some of the schools would
also get for example additional PE teachers because of the the additional
staffing and the additional full-time equivalent students in addition to that
there would be some additional supplies a materials equipment furnishings things
like that that cost we’ve calculated it to be
four million rounded off four million eight hundred and fifty nine thousand
dollars now that’s a little bit less than the six million we were thinking
the last two years would be and the primary reason for that or the two
reasons our original estimates were a little bit
higher than now we are experiencing we’ve brought online the first two years
last year and this year and projected next year to bring online more of the
elementary schools than we had in the original phasing plan so we’ve kind of
front-loaded and expensed for at if you will these first three years so the last
two years not going to be quite as much so that would be the additional cost I
was also asked to calculate Y one additional penny
on the real estate tax would be and I’ve confirmed that with a city it’s five
million seven hundred and seventeen thousand dollars so to fund if it’s the
tax increase that would be needed to do this
four million eight hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars is would be 85
percent of one penny so that that would be how it could be funded with the
partial penny okay thank you dr. Spence I’m gonna ask you to talk about can we
fit can is this physically possible to do before we begin our comments so so we
think it is I think the one issue that is an unknown would be the availability
of teachers for the programs but it’s likely we could we know we can
make it happen we would not do it in three schools so we would not want to do
it in Thorogood elementary school Jambi dial-in venturi school or hermitage
elementary school because there’s three schools currently as you know john peta
is under construction modernization and then Thorogood is being built and of
course being housed at Hermitage and so we’ve got space issues right now at
Harvard – Elementary as a result of that so we would want to not do those three
schools should this get should this funding become available we would hold
on those three and we could do the thirteen and we think we could we have
the capacity to do that but those three schools could come along the following
year correct as their facilities open okay is there any discussion on this mr.
Edwards the discussion of it in the context the context of the tax rate
increases I think premature until the I mean I understand that is this scenario
through which we are allowed to request additional funds so the the comments on
that are correct but in every ever in every resolution that we have passed we
have indicated that the to the city that that is supported by the school division
if and only if the city is not in a position to provide those funds without
a tax increase so the the formula requires that we identify that and be
supportive of it but it certainly does not mandate or require and and and and
in all cases this board has always hoped that the city would potentially adjust
the funding formula or or do you know find another way around a an adjustment
in the you know in the tax rate because that is certainly within their authority
and we could hope that that there are
revenues might put them in a position to to do that even though I know we all
there they’re obviously facing many many other challenges around the city in
terms of municipal services mr. Honaker just said we would include and if it’s
another resolution addressing just this topic we would include the language and
that resolution to speak to just exactly what you and and that’s the same
language we used a couple years ago when we when we asked for the funds for the
phase-in so we would include that flexible language so it wouldn’t
absolutely be just tax increase before you sit down two years ago when we asked
for an increase for additional funds to begin implementation of full-day
kindergarten just for the public to so that they’re aware we did ask for the
full amount two years ago yes I believe it was fourteen million is that correct
that’s correct and the city at that time chose not to give us the full amount
they chose to give us six point seven and so at the end of this coming budget
cycle that we just approved tonight that’s when we will have utilized all
those funds so what we’re basically asking for is additional funds that
would that we would be able to complete it and and a fourth basically it’s four
point nine million that we’re asking for which is actually a little it’s it’s a
little less than what we asked for two years ago yes ma’am okay thank you
any others miss Weems where do I begin oh I I am deeply
concerned about this and there when we when we say mr. Edwards I’m gonna
piggyback what you said we hope that they don’t raise our taxes we hope that
the City Council has extra money for schools has that happened where they
just say yeah we’ll give you an extra five million for whatever and we’re not
gonna raise taxes I don’t remember it happening since I’ve
been okay it hasn’t I don’t believe because again you have
yes yeah over do so and and we did this two years ago and and some of us that
did not vote for the tax increase one of our our fears was gonna be we’re gonna
have to come back here and do it again and we’re like no no no we won’t have to
do that again so I you know I find it interesting to
that that we’ve been sitting here for weeks and weeks and we’ve had teachers
come up here we’ve had the VBA come here and talk about teacher salaries talk
about paying for their own school supplies all this some of the
information it’s not correct but basically we’ve heard from teachers
saying give us you know more money we need more money we need more money and
this is and we don’t need any programs until we you know give our employees
good raises and etc etc and then the last minute we had our own colleagues
which some of you are on the VBA you know lifelong memberships of VBA say no
we can’t do it because there’s nothing to cut as the state’s fault and etc etc
when and then we’re asking for a tax increase not for teachers but for a
kindergarten so I have a problem with that as well I think with a budget of
would we say our total budget is over 900 million dollars roughly nine hundred
five million dollars and we can’t come up with 4.8 million I think we need to
go back to some some budgeting 101 examples we’ve got a software program
that’s over three million dollars or right around three million dollars we
did one-to-one technology several million dollars and we’re not
going to debate those now but we have made choices and we have chosen not to
come up with this money because we’ve used it in different places and again it
seems like well in the last two or three years we’re gonna say we don’t have the
money so let’s just tap ask for a tax increase and this tax increases on our
employees you know in one hand we’re saying employees don’t get enough money
but on the other hand we’re taking it out of their pocket to fund another
program it’s it’s not right I don’t think it’s right at all and again we
have got a very very hearty good solid budget and if we wanted the kindergarten
to be quicker we would have used the money perhaps differently a few years
ago and I understand you know we didn’t use it all and there’s different reasons
for that but but for the taxpayer out there that saw us raise taxes to full
fund a kindergarten and we only used a part of it and we used and again it was
in the resolution and we weren’t trying to hide anything from City Council but
you know we’re coming back and asking for again another tax increase to do the
same thing that we were supposed to do a couple years ago it just doesn’t look
good so I will not in any shape form or fashion support an increase in taxes to
fund full-day kindergarten this is Manning so I looked at our revenue
sharing agreement before we came here because I wanted to see what it actually
said and it does specifically state that if the school board asks for any
additional funds it is understood that we are supporting a tax increase the
city can’t afford to fund all of its police officers its cars they can’t
afford to fix our flooding concerns they’re looking at their own ask for a
tax increase right now so I very much doubt that they’re going to just find
some extra money to be able to give us without raising taxes I agree with miss
Weems that we do have money that we can find I asked for how much money we’re
spending on software in our classrooms and it’s at least seven million dollars
that doesn’t even include include Microsoft Office office licensing so
I’m sure that that drastically adds to the cost 40% of our students are on free
or reduced lunch to ask for tax increase and put it on the backs of our families
who are already struggling is not fair also as Miss Weems mentioned the
teachers asked us to not put anything else ahead of teacher compensation and
if we are going to ask to accelerate the implementation of the kindergarten
program I think that’s a slap in the face to the teachers who have been up
here talking to us over the last month I think I have an idea of why
Councilwoman called our chair to ask us to accelerate this program because
election next year is an election year and she’s up for re-election she’s not
going to want to ask for tax increase next year and and neither are some of
those other members who are up for reelection so I believe that this is
partly political as well I support the full implementation of kindergarten
either even though I didn’t support it initially this board has voted to make
it happen and I think that we need to implement it and fully implement it but
I think that we need to stick with the plan that we have and we need to find in
our current budget to do so thank you anyone else like to speak this is Wray so acknowledge all the comments and one
of the reasons that makes me seriously consider this is that a universal
full-day kindergarten is one of those rare subjects that seems to have
universal appeal in this city and I think that was the reason why it it
passed as it did a few years ago we understand what was passed two years ago
never would have fully funded all the schools so I just hope that’s not a
misconception out there the way I see it if if we can get kindergarten funded now
or at least make the effort and it’s up to us to state our case to make the case
then it does free up discussion next year for a more a higher focus on
employee compensation we won’t have kindergarten still
the monkey on our back you know that we need and and I so I do certainly agree
and I took to heart all the all the teachers who came forward this budget
season and in my view that could be a Archie focus next go-around and if we
could get kindergarten past now and have all the schools so we don’t have you
know this zone with it and this school without it I just think that’s why it’s
worthy of the discussion anyone else mrs. Riggs and I tend to agree with all
that mrs. rice said yes I am an advocate for the teachers and always have been
and they know it and all the other employees of our school system just like
many of us are up here but I am looking at equity in the city and I know that
this is something that I constantly get asked well when is this school going to
get there full-day kindergarten and when is my school and I have to wait so I
think from what I’m hearing or I’m getting the feeling from residents and
people that are asking me that they want want it now they want it for their
school and so it makes a difference it makes a difference when people come in
and they buy their homes that’s one of the questions they’re asking our real
estate agents does this area have full-day kindergarten it’s something
that people are looking for I think that if we implement it now it’s going to be
a little cheaper from what you said to go ahead and do it now than what we had
projected and this will free up that money and as I said at the last couple
of meetings I will not be implement aren’t voting for any more programs
until we do to increase their compensation but this one is something
that we started I think we need to go ahead and
finish it if we can get that support from City Council to do that I think
it’s time to do it is this Hughes we have animist billion dollar budget
and it’s a pretty large chunk of the entire state budget and I realized
kindergarten got passed before I got here and once you know once you made the
resolution you need to go ahead and do it I also understand that what was asked
for was less than what you got as I understand it not all of that was used
for kindergarten and now we’re asking for another raise for kindergarten
knowing that it cannot be implemented in three of the schools which means we’re
probably going to be asking for money more money again down the road and
homebuyers may be asking about a full-day kindergarten is in their
neighborhoods but they’re also wondering what their taxes are going to be to buy
those homes I’ve heard teacher after teacher come up and speak about how they
can’t afford to live in the city so they did not get the raise they thought they
were going to get this year but they are going to get a tax raise which means
they and a lot of other residents including everybody here who lives in
this city is going to lose money out of their paychecks give they’re going to
come out behind and I will not be voting for a tax raise we have a pretty hefty
budget and we can live within our means there are other things we should be
spending less money on to get this done mr. Honaker it was my understanding that
the 4.9 million that we would be asking for it does include those three schools
the cost for those three schools correct yes so we would not have to come back to
ask for more money just to bring those schools online the following year so I
mean and and I haven’t this is my personal opinion I haven’t ruled out dr.
Spence John B died because is one of my my adopted schools this year and so I do
know that they have some rooms within their building within the building
itself that could possibly be utilized so I just that is my personal opinion
but I just wanted you to know that you know I haven’t been over there and
toured the school and I do know that they have a couple of rooms that they
they would be willing to use because they certainly don’t want to pass up the
opportunity to go online with us and have full-day kindergarten as well but
that’s just that’s just me but the other thing is I just want to say that for me
it has to do with equity across our schools equity and fairness to our
citizens of our communities and that’s what I’m hearing I’m hearing people say
you know what winner when are we going to be the ones and I happen to live in a
neighborhood that doesn’t have full day kindergarten and was not part of the the
schools that we were planning to do for next year as part of the budget and then
a couple weeks ago we actually heard that there’s a possibility if we don’t
get extra funding that we might even have to put off our implementation into
the sixth year just if we try to do within our own budget so that that to me
is totally unacceptable especially when you’re talking about we have nine
schools that do not have it at all and I know that the reason for the 4.9 is not
just to cover those nine schools but also to cover the fact that we’re going
to have to start covering the cost of the title one schools once everybody
goes online so that takes that into consideration as well so I think we
really need to move forward with this it is not something that we have when we
first started we asked for 14 million the city said we’ll give you six point
seven they didn’t give us exactly what we asked for
but I feel like now is the opportunity to move ahead with this and it’s it’s
the right thing to do kindergarten teachers that I’ve spoke to
across the city have been overwhelmingly supportive of this they all think I mean
they thanked me profusely when I walk in their buildings thank you thank you they
say for bringing us full-day kindergarten and so I feel so terrible
when I walk in the schools that don’t have it and I feel terrible you know in
my own community the Trent wood community that doesn’t
have it I feel like you know Trent wood it is just as
deserving of a school as any other school in this city and so as far as the
equity goes for that reason alone we need to move forward with this and put
this behind us and it will allow us to focus next year more on on issues that
have to do with paying our teachers a fair wage so I think this is something
that if we could do it now if City Council is willing to move ahead with
this let’s do this let’s move ahead as fast as we can let’s bring these schools
online and you know I I feel like this is something we need to do right away so
mrs. Weems Farrell so last time we got six and a half million we didn’t use it
all cuz we bought buses for some of that and one-time expenses so how is it gonna
work this time because we have three schools that it can’t be used for so
what are we gonna do with that money that’s left over because we’re not gonna
use the 4.8 million all at once because we can only do two thirds in the schools
so we’re still gonna have an equity issue do we earmark that and just save
it and sit there and don’t spend it or do we spend on a one-time expense right
okay so when you when when my colleagues are shaking up shaking their head no
we’re not gonna come back for a tax increase this is exactly what we did two
years ago we asked we got six and a half million we only spent a couple million
on full-day kindergarten we spent the rest on one-time expenses school buses
whatever then we’re coming back we’re gonna be doing the same thing we’re only
gonna spend part of the money and then we’re gonna have to spend the other on
one-time expenses so in a year or two when Thorogood and hermitage and job you
die yeah don’t out rule that we won’t come back because we have spent that
money on one-time expenses okay so I have a problem with that and again if we
have a 900 million budget we should have budget we should have been able to come
up with 4.8 million for this you don’t ask taxpayers to fund stuff that you
can’t find in your operating budget I mean this is just in our own households
we pay for necessities do you know how long I’ve been wanting to get my
hardwood floors we’ve done six years but it’s not a necessity and and even though
this is equal to be equitable and some of your
feral if we don’t do this now does that mean we’re not going to implement
full-day kindergarten are we gonna if we don’t get a tax increase and don’t do it
now we’re still in a plan to to implement full-day kindergarten right
okay okay so this it sounds like it’s either now or never and I want to make
sure that we we know that it’s that’s not the case what a good doctor spends
real quick so that he can clarify a couple of MIS misinformation that was
just about just said just just relative to the financing I just want to make
sure that there’s good clarity across the across the community on this issue
so so the money that was allotted was an annual amount so that’s money that
continues to come in so it wasn’t a one-time we asked for six point where we
received six point seven million from the city and we only spent a part of
that on kindergarten and then we spent the rest on a one-time expense and then
that was it so we didn’t actually spend it all in kindergarten we intentionally
planned to over the course of three years spend the entirety of the six
point seven million annual amount on kindergarten the budget that you’ve just
passed tonight includes the final set of schools that we can fund under the six
point seven million so we are now in this next budget spending all of the tax
amount on kindergarten and so so what relative to Farrell’s answer was if you
were to ask for a tax increase again to fund full-day kindergarten and relative
to your really specific to your point about the thirteen schools versus the
sixteen schools that we would immediately endeavor to use the funds
for thirteen of those schools we would then have to draw back funds for three
of those schools for a year or two depending on when the facilities open
and then we would ultimately use all of those funds to complete the full-day
kindergarten expansion so there would never be a point where we would have to
come back and say there’s more funding needed relative to kindergarten you
would be getting on an annual basis with what Ferrell has indicated was pointing
five cents the remaining funds that would be necessary for us while the
administrator side to complete folding can I just want to make sure from a
financial standpoint that that’s perfectly clear there was never a point
in time where there was not a plan to use the
six point seven million dollars that was allocated through that tax increase for
all for kindergarten it is now all being used for kindergarten but the resolution
as it was written was during the phase and there will be two years of one-time
purchases for the dollars that won’t be spindle so so it’s a placeholder
basically yeah until you’ve got to it’s a placeholder and until you can roll the
rest of the schools and he’s back and make sure I still don’t know why we’re
in the same position that they’re coming back because because this is what we
were told two years ago and I remember it being asked on the diets are we gonna
have to come back and it was definitely no no no it was not absolutely not
if what and what if we would have gotten the full amount okay right yeah well I
still do not think that we need to again with this with this big of a budget and
considering all the things that we’ve heard from our own Dyess up here about
teacher salaries and considering that we have spent money we have chosen to spend
money spend money and I’m not again debating the merits of how we spend it
right now because we’ve done that last month that we could could we could have
implemented full-day kindergarten use our own resources and not have to raise
taxes this is Manny um yeah we just like to address mr.
Riggs comment regarding real estate as a Realtor I’ve never been I’ve never had
anyone say I don’t want to move to Virginia Beach because you don’t have
full day kindergarten I guarantee you the real estate industry and Realtors in
this area are not going to be happy about a tax increase on our citizens
because it’s gonna nag negatively affect the market the average homeowner in
Virginia Beach is probably gonna see between what the city wants to ask for
and what it appears this board wants to ask for the average citizen is going to
going to have a $600 increase in their in their tax assessment that’s a lot of
money especially for those families who are on free and reduced lunch the 40% of
our students are on free and reduced lunch so this isn’t just monies coming
out of nowhere the money is coming out of the pockets
of our teachers of our parents of our citizens and I hope that every one of
you will remember that thank you I just want to be clear that 85% of a penny is
not six hundred dollars out of people’s pockets one penny assessment on a four
hundred thousand dollar house no I’m seeing what the city wants to ask for
and the one cent that we originally told if you you asked for two cents and the
average price of a house is three hundred thousand dollars in Virginia
Beach yes that is six hundred dollars but that’s not what we’re asking for
we’re not asking for all of that okay it’s like 1.9 million dollars it is up
to the City Council whether or not they choose to do a tax increase I know that
we have to ask for it that way because that’s the way the funding formula is
written but it’s really up to City Council whether they choose to do it
through a tax increase or not so that’s there’s mr. Edwards since we’re making
mr. hudsucker the point man I’ll address my question to him if we do not ask for
in receive additional funds for kindergarten we would implement full-day
kindergarten ultimately in the next few years two three maybe there might be a
year seven I don’t know but Farrell that funding for those positions to bring
full-day kindergarten online would I assume if not brought in through what
we’re talking about in terms of the tax rate adjustment would be from the
natural growth of the budget through the you know assessments rising in and stuff
like that and I believe those are the very funds that we normally look to to
try to address the compensation issues for our
employees and my concern is if we swallow the full-day kindergarten pill
internally which it would be great if we did it we’re we’re boxing those dollars
out four years to three two and three from Laura where we are now out of the
out of what we can do for compensation and the in that that that’s the concern
I’ve got is yes I have I have heard everything you know I I supported the
budget tonight even though it it does not do everything that I know we can and
should do for our teachers because it’s all we’ve got
but I am hopeful that we can address compensation and I hate to through as I
say internalizing the implementation full-day kindergarten without the the
increment that we had addressed all along relative to full-day kindergarten
I just don’t think it’s the right thing and I think we need to at least ask for
it and and hopefully receive it thank you mrs. Weems can you get this or do we
just need to ask this for City Council how many taxes have been increase in
taxes have been done in the last couple years and I mean fees because you know
all these new fees that they give us that’s taxes then they just called
another name so can you get that or do I need to just contact them and get it we
can get okay we need to ask the city but I’m sure they have because you know we
have to remember too that we as taxpayers have been taxed taxed and we
have been sent fees for our dog licensee fees and you know more in our trash be
more and a whole bunch of stuff so we need to remember that we can get that
information and get that back out okay thank you appreciate that this is rye
this is a question and I don’t mean to put legislative on the spot or staff
because I research that check this out further
before coming here but I I did run into a delegate this week and what do we know
about the General Assembly legislation concerning a kindergarten law that is it
true that both passes houses passed a time deadline I know it was it was
gaining momentum but to be honest with you I lost track of it I’ll have to get
that answer for you and where that is and if it’s gotten to the governor’s
desk so we’ll just qualify it now by saying
it might have passed both houses and if I understood correctly it was for two
years it was for a three year implementation requiring all school
divisions that didn’t have it to have it so we can we can get that answer that
that’s an easy answer to get for you if that’s the case we’ll have to do this
anyway and we’ll have to find the funding board but I mean I think it’s
them I mean as I shared during the session with with our folks up there
it’s our it’s been clear that it’s the board’s intent to get it done anyway it
was kind of a moot point legislation because Chesapeake’s in the same boat
and so it was really there was as we started all this it was loud in
Chesapeake and Virginia Beach who didn’t have full-day kindergarten and at this
point Loudoun Chesapeake and Virginia Beach are all well on the road which
made me surprised they were even discussing it but it led me to think
that it might we might not have the option of projecting it forward as far
ahead as we thought was we might be able to so to be checked out thank you yep
we’ll look at it do you have any other comments or suggestions yes chairman yes
mrs. Helton it was stated a few minutes ago about equity being in the eyesight
of most of us in it it is equity is a my eyesight when I think about poverty
poverty is not just a lack of food or clothing or sustainable housing it is a
lack of resources is a lack of a fair and equitable education and to me
education is one of the foundation of the equitable equitable level playing
field for all students most parents that is depending on this school board to
make sure that their child get an equable level
Foundation Plan C all they depend on us to do that and in education is that is
that thing kindergarten is a foundation of that fair and equitable education so
I am in full support of this universal thing appeal called kindergarten to make
sure that all of our children all of them we see that standard in quality
education thank you mrs. Felton mrs. Hughes I don’t think anyone up here is
saying that the kindergarten program shouldn’t be implemented it’s just where
you get the money and for everyone who’s concerned about equity all these extra
taxes and fees hit lower-income people the hardest that’s equity also any other
any others just a quick answer to that question they just did a quick lis
search they it it got left in appropriations so it did not come out
okay thank you I do know that it’s something that they discussed though
they were trying to get it passed so my feeling is it’s something that we
started we knew when we started this two years ago that we didn’t have money to
finish it we understood that we were going to have to come back and I
understood we were going to have to come back and ask the City Council for more
money we had hoped that we might be able to do this within our budget and dr.
Spence brought that up and said there was a possibility we might be able to do
it within our own budget without asking for more funds but it was understood all
along when we asked two years ago that since that since they did not give us
the money that we asked for two years ago that we would be back in two years
and it was I was told you know City Council was actually expecting us to
come back and ask for funds to finish implementing full-day kindergarten so
any others we will have this on our agenda next week for action and there
will be an opportunity for people to come up and talk if you have
any the public to come and talk because it is on action so um that’s why we
decided we would we would wait and we will put it on action for next week
since there is no further discussion we are adjourned

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